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Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit

Whatever happens, and if (as would seem to me to be likely) he avoids any official censure or punishment, the stench of unanswered allegations and well-founded suspicion will haunt him indefinitely.

There’s too much - his undeniable friendship with Epstein, the photo with his arm round a teenage Giuffre’s waist, his astonishing car crash of a TV interview - all this will surely mean his reputation will be permanently in tatters.

Like Michael Barrymore (possibly an unfair comparison) and Fatty Arbuckle, he’ll never work again. Ah, hmm, ‘work’ doesn’t really apply in his case - but you know what I mean …
 
I'm guessing the agreement with Epstein would've been worded along the lines of '... in full and final settlement of this and any future claims against Epstein and/or any other person, arising from or relating to the facts alleged by Guiffre in these proceedings.' It'd then be a matter for the court to decide whether that wording encompasses the subject matter of the current claim. The Sweatless One might be able to avail himself of it without admitting anything, on purely procedural grounds. The 'optics' would be awful, but, to be honest, they already are; from his perspective, at least it'd protect him financially, not open him up to US criminal proceedings, and allow him to avoid some pretty uncomfortable questioning. If it fails, he can still argue a jurisdiction point. After that, he'll have little choice but to ignore proceedings and allow judgement in default, and fight any attempt at enforcement in the UK.
 
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scalyboy said:
Whatever happens, and if (as would seem to me to be likely) he avoids any official censure or punishment, the stench of unanswered allegations and well-founded suspicion will haunt him indefinitely.

There’s too much - his undeniable friendship with Epstein, the photo with his arm round a teenage Giuffre’s waist, his astonishing car crash of a TV interview - all this will surely mean his reputation will be permanently in tatters.

Like Michael Barrymore (possibly an unfair comparison) and Fatty Arbuckle, he’ll never work again. Ah, hmm, ‘work’ doesn’t really apply in his case - but you know what I mean …
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Unlike Prince Andrew Arbuckle was acquitted
 
scalyboy said:
Whatever happens, and if (as would seem to me to be likely) he avoids any official censure or punishment, the stench of unanswered allegations and well-founded suspicion will haunt him indefinitely.

There’s too much - his undeniable friendship with Epstein, the photo with his arm round a teenage Giuffre’s waist, his astonishing car crash of a TV interview - all this will surely mean his reputation will be permanently in tatters.

Like Michael Barrymore (possibly an unfair comparison) and Fatty Arbuckle, he’ll never work again. Ah, hmm, ‘work’ doesn’t really apply in his case - but you know what I mean …
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Yes, but he'll continue to live in unimaginable luxury, so will he care about "work"?
 
ElizabethofYork said:
Yes, but he'll continue to live in unimaginable luxury, so will he care about "work"?
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Yes that’s what I was hinting at. He’s never worked, not in the sense that we understand it! I guess what might have an impact on the remainder of his miserable life is whether he’ll be shunned by former chums, will he still be able to invite enough people to a shooting or a dinner party, or will they all be ‘busy’?
 
Pickman's model said:
Unlike Prince Andrew Arbuckle was acquitted
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That’s true, but his reputation was still irretrievably besmirched thereafter. Rather like Jeremy Thorpe’s. Sometimes a not guilty verdict doesn’t alleviate lingering suspicion and doubt on the part of the public.

John Bindon’s 1978 trial and acquittal for murder in theory might not have harmed him - partly because it was a set-to among villains and not ‘civilians’, and partly because it bolstered his hard man image.

But in practice TV & film directors & producers began dropping him as he was seen as too unpredictable and dangerous. Was Quadrophenia (1979) his final film?
 
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Yes that’s what I was hinting at. He’s never worked, not in the sense that we understand it! I guess what might have an impact on the remainder of his miserable life is whether he’ll be shunned by former chums, will he still be able to invite enough people to a shooting or a dinner party, or will they all be ‘busy’?
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He was in the Navy, and served in the Falklands. As much as I condemn him for his life after that, he did serve, and merits recognition for that at least.
 
scalyboy said:
That’s true, but his reputation was still irretrievably besmirched thereafter. Rather like Jeremy Thorpe’s. Sometimes a not guilty verdict doesn’t alleviate lingering suspicion and doubt on the part of the public.

John Bindon’s 1978 trial and acquittal for murder in theory might not have harmed him (partly because it was a set-to among villains and not ‘civilians’, and partly because it bolstered his hard man image.

But in practice TV & film directors & producers began dropping him as he was seen as too unpredictable and dangerous. Was Quadrophenia (1979) his final film?
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Funny you should mention Bindon, as he was having it away with Andy's Aunt Margaret in Mustique. By all accounts he could hang five half-pint glasses from his cock.
 
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Magnus McGinty said:
I always regard the modern monarchy ‘serving’ as a bit of theatre. I could be wrong but it fits with most of the rest that they do.
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He signed up for 12 years, he got his Marines green beret, flew as a helicopter pilot and instructor, and as the captain of a warship. During the Falklands War, he flew on multiple missions including anti-surface warfare, Exocet missile decoy, and casualty evacuation. For this he, as anyone who did the same, deserves respect. Pity he has done nothing but become a nonce since.
 
dessiato said:
He signed up for 12 years, he got his Marines green beret, flew as a helicopter pilot and instructor, and as the captain of a warship. During the Falklands War, he flew on multiple missions including anti-surface warfare, Exocet missile decoy, and casualty evacuation. For this he, as anyone who did the same, deserves respect. Pity he has done nothing but become a nonce since.
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He obviously seriously engaged in the Falklands as his experience left him unable to sweat which is most probably a life threatening condition.
And all those medals.
 
Please don't get me wrong, I think serving in the Falklands deserves recognition, but I do not agree/accept/justify any of his behaviour since, and especially not this.
 
Magnus McGinty said:
I always regard the modern monarchy ‘serving’ as a bit of theatre. I could be wrong but it fits with most of the rest that they do.
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I'll(maybe slightly) let Harry off with that serving shite because he actually went on Oprah and said his literal family are a bunch of wankers (for what that was worth, not much but it was something)

But the rest of them can fuck off with that haha
 
HoratioCuthbert said:
I'll(maybe slightly) let Harry off with that serving shite because he actually went on Oprah and said his literal family are a bunch of wankers (for what that was worth, not much but it was something)

But the rest of them can fuck off with that haha
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But it’s all bollocks isn’t it? The rest of the time they’re shadowed by protection teams so the idea that they were ever seriously put at risk at war induces mirth.
 
dessiato said:
He signed up for 12 years, he got his Marines green beret, flew as a helicopter pilot and instructor, and as the captain of a warship. During the Falklands War, he flew on multiple missions including anti-surface warfare, Exocet missile decoy, and casualty evacuation. For this he, as anyone who did the same, deserves respect. Pity he has done nothing but become a nonce since.
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Fair enough. I didn’t realise he actually saw active service, flying missions etc. I suppose Harry has done active service too, was it in Afghanistan or Iraq? I would imagine they tried to keep him out of harms way tho
 
scalyboy said:
Fair enough. I didn’t realise he actually saw active service, flying missions etc. I suppose Harry has done active service too, was it in Afghanistan or Iraq? I would imagine they tried to keep him out of harms way tho
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There was quite a lot of uproar about it at the time, I think he was the first Royal to see proper active service for a long time.
 
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