Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit

[Bahnhof Strasse]

 

[TopCat]

The Royal protection officers he has now are not likely to be the same ones he had 20 years ago which means that Giuffre's lawyers will have to pay someone to track them down and they might very well just refuse to co-operate, doubt they could be forced to. As for whatever logs that might exist (if they still do) then assuming the Met hands them over what are they likely to say?
'11:10 PC Bloggs and I sat in the car and had our sandwiches while HRH went upstairs and got his leg over with the teenage girl that the creepy Yank set him up with'
Lots of people (Inc me) are getting their hopes up there will be some big reveal that will show him up for what he is but it seems to be that everything is just going to be endless insinuation.

If Maxwell points the finger at him that will be compelling evidence. She may claim coercion from her dead ex and a difficult upbringing etc and throw shit about.

 

[Athos]

Required to secure a prosecution in court.

In the court of public opinion though the jury is majority against him and as his worming continues it creeps towards a unanimous verdict. Seeing as the whole sorry house of cards comes tumbling down once the lickspittles and brown-nosers withdraw their support I am wholly in favour of the current state of play.

That so long-since sailed!

 

[mx wcfc]

If Maxwell points the finger at him that will be compelling evidence.

I really, really, really hope she does. Plea bargaining?

 

[TopCat]

I really, really, really hope she does. Plea bargaining?

Her legal approach has been “you can’t do this to me”. Once that’s finally thrown out she will have to choose to throw shit or choose prison for her always.

 

[redcogs]

Once that’s finally thrown out she will have to choose to throw shit or choose prison for her always.

This might be worth crowdfunding

 

[MickiQ]

If Maxwell points the finger at him that will be compelling evidence. She may claim coercion from her dead ex and a difficult upbringing etc and throw shit about.

Maxwell needs to do more than point the finger she needs to be able to provide hard evidence that would stand up in a criminal trial and I think if she had that she would have cut a deal by now otherwise anything she says is still just insinuation no matter how many people believe her.

 

[scalyboy]

Yes. Nobody can be compelled to give evidence that would criminally implicate them in any testimony. Inferences may be drawn from the refusal though.

Hopefully it will be filmed, and someone with a YouTube channel can edit and intercut the footage with clips of other eminent persons pleading the fifth (first 70 seconds)

 

[TopCat]

Prince Andrew’s lawyer asks to keep 2009 legal agreement sealed

Attorney says the deal can protect the prince against a lawsuit that claims that he assaulted Virginia Giuffre when she was 17

www.theguardian.com

 

[ruffneck23]

Prince Andrew’s lawyer asks to keep 2009 legal agreement sealed

Attorney says the deal can protect the prince against a lawsuit that claims that he assaulted Virginia Giuffre when she was 17

www.theguardian.com

I hope they tell his lawyers to fuck off.

 

[xenon]

So he’s reduced to magical thinking. that is quite pathetic.

 

[brogdale]

and such a good look.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Can I get this straight please? He wanted to have the agreement unsealed as he thought it would help his case, her lawyers agreed and it was, now they want to keep the details secret but still feel it gets him off the hook? Fuck that, there's some filthy linen in there needs airing.

 

[Pickman's model]

Can I get this straight please? He wanted to have the agreement unsealed as he thought it would help his case, her lawyers agreed and it was, now they want to keep the details secret but still feel it gets him off the hook? Fuck that, there's some filthy linen in there needs airing.

He shat the bed when he saw what was in the document

 

[DaveCinzano]

He shat the bed when he saw what was in the document

Evidentiary Droste

 

[Athos]

I think he's saying he wants to rely on it, but that he can only do so under seal in these proceedings because it's subject to a protective order against disclosure in the Epstein proceedings. But given Epstein is dead and the parties in this case claim not to want it to remain under seal, the simplest thing would be for an order in the other proceedings lifting the protective order, and getting it all out in the open.

 

[xenon]

I read it as a ridiculous three-year-olds logic. I am rich because there is £1 million in this box, which I haven’t opened. You can’t open it either. I am very rich.

 

[andysays]

Can I get this straight please? He wanted to have the agreement unsealed as he thought it would help his case, her lawyers agreed and it was, now they want to keep the details secret but still feel it gets him off the hook? Fuck that, there's some filthy linen in there needs airing.

Maybe it says something like "and I promise not to sue Prince Andrew for that time he fucked me when I was 17".

I don’t claim to understand the legal niceties, but surely even the fact that his name is included in the agreement would demonstrate that he's an utter wrong 'un and is guilty of something quite serious, whether or not it's possible for him to actually be sued.

And if his name isn't included, I don't see how he can claim it provides him any legal protection.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Maybe it says something like "and I promise not to sue Prince Andrew for that time he fucked me when I was 17".

I don’t claim to understand the legal niceties, but surely even the fact that his name is included in the agreement would demonstrate that he's an utter wrong 'un and is guilty of something quite serious, whether or not it's possible for him to actually be sued.

And if his name isn't included, I don't see how he can claim it provides him any legal protection.

The agreement might include any other parties involved, without specifically naming them.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

The agreement might include any other parties involved, without specifically naming them.

AFAIK it mentions legal representatives, which is how Dershowitz wormed out of it.

 

[Saul Goodman]

AFAIK it mentions legal representatives, which is how Dershowitz wormed out of it.

Epstein was careful to include a free pass for any fellow nonces in his sweetheart deal in Florida. It's how Maxwell got away with it for so long. I reckon this one might be worded similar, although I don't recall the exact wording on the Florida deal but I'm pretty sure it let all involved nonces off the hook.

 

[TopCat]

The agreement might include any other parties involved, without specifically naming them.

There may be a clause “and indemnify all the men who raped me”.

 

[two sheds]

I read it as a ridiculous three-year-olds logic. I am rich because there is £1 million in this box, which I haven’t opened. You can’t open it either. I am very rich.

Are you on Trump's legal team by any chance?

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

I read it as a ridiculous three-year-olds logic. I am rich because there is £1 million in this box, which I haven’t opened. You can’t open it either. I am very rich.

As long as the box remains closed he is simultaneously both a nonce and not a nonce.

 

[Saul Goodman]

As long as the box remains closed he is simultaneously both a nonce and not a nonce.

Schrödinger's nonce.

 

[MickiQ]

I don't think these lawyers actually know what's in the magic box, they're simultaneously hoping there is a get out of jail free card whilst worrying that there is killer evidence that will damn He Who Cannot Sweat.
They want a secret peek whilst denying it to everyone else.

 

[andysays]

Epstein was careful to include a free pass for any fellow nonces in his sweetheart deal in Florida. It's how Maxwell got away with it for so long. I reckon this one might be worded similar, although I don't recall the exact wording on the Florida deal but I'm pretty sure it let all involved nonces off the hook.

As I said before, I don't understand the legal niceties, but in reputational terms, claiming the protection of a clause which lets all involved nonces off the hook doesn't seem that great a strategy.

 

[equationgirl]

There may be a clause “and indemnify all the men who raped me”.

Correct terminology would be 'indemnify and hold harmless all the men who raped me' in the US, the 'hold harmless' being incredibly ironic here.

 

[equationgirl]

There won't be such a clause.

As I said before, I don't understand the legal niceties, but in reputational terms, claiming the protection of a clause which lets all involved nonces off the hook doesn't seem that great a strategy.

 

[1927]

There may be a clause “and indemnify all the men who raped me”.

This was inferred weeks ago by her lawyer, who basically said to rely on it he’d have to admit he was guilty.