people who voted tory

[kebabking]

There are still 'conservative clubs' round here where people, usually old men, go for drinks, most of them are probably not tories.but the tory party used to be as much a part of community life in some areas as labour in the north etc, and a lot of these people werent raging right wingers. Neoliberalism destroyed the grassroots tory party as much as it did labour.

the Tory Club in Penrith (its called the Tory Club, i think if you asked people in Penrith where the Conservative Club was they'd look at you blankly..) is a lovely place, nice food, always bands/quiz's etc.. on, its actually a place people in their twenties go to on a night out regardless of political affiliation - local MP (majority to be weighed rather than counted) regularly to be seen at the bar, pretty much every local group uses, or has used, its rooms...

its about as far, culturally and politically, from what i'd describe as the Spiv wing of the Tory Party - the Surrey stockbroker belt, as its possible to be.

the only thing they have in common with the vast majority of the Conservative Parliamentary Party is the number of limbs the average member has...

 

[chilango]

The only person to bring up Miliband's "personality/image" during the election to me was someone who had already decided to vote Tory for selfish, economic reasons. The blah about charisma, statesmanship, leadership etc. was just a post-hoc salve to his conscience/ego as his self image was not of a m/c Tory voter.

I doubt he was the only one.

People still don't like to admit they vote for selfish reasons.

We like to have some more "objective" rationale.

This is an obstacle.

 

[CNT36]

The only person to bring up Miliband's "personality/image" during the election to me was someone who had already decided to vote Tory for selfish, economic reasons. The blah about charisma, statesmanship, leadership etc. was just a post-hoc salve to his conscience/ego as his self image was not of a m/c Tory voter.

I doubt he was the only one.

People still don't like to admit they vote for selfish reasons.

We like to have some more "objective" rationale.

This is an obstacle.

My experience was the opposite. People at work voting Tory for the first time. One was from a family who'd always voted Labour. She came in one day to say her brother was switching teams. A few days later she said she would do the same. Then all her family apart from the father. She said it was down to Milliband mainly and to a lesser extent the Scottish holding the balance of power bollocks. They all got given a hard time by the Dad who had voted Labour for 60 years. She came in on Monday to say that her dad had come home on Thursday in tears because he'd got into the booth and been unable to vote for Milliband's labour and so voted Tory.

 

[chilango]

My experience was the opposite. People at work voting Tory for the first time. One was from a family who'd always voted Labour. She came in one day to say her brother was switching teams. A few days later she said she would do the same. Then all her family apart from the father. She said it was down to Milliband mainly and to a lesser extent the Scottish holding the balance of power bollocks. They all got given a hard time by the Dad who had voted Labour for 60 years. She came in on Monday to say that her dad had come home on Thursday in tears because he'd got into the booth and been unable to vote for Milliband's labour and so voted Tory.

Yeah.

I'm not talking about a habitual Tory voter, but someone who'd never voted Tory and probably never saw themselves voting Tory either. In fact most of Tpry voters I know had switched from Labour (or the Lib Dems or not voting).

 

[treelover]

The shadow cabinet were invisible for the first four years, only popping up to say 'they agree with Nick',

and Dave.

 

[treelover]

The only person to bring up Miliband's "personality/image" during the election to me was someone who had already decided to vote Tory for selfish, economic reasons. The blah about charisma, statesmanship, leadership etc. was just a post-hoc salve to his conscience/ego as his self image was not of a m/c Tory voter.

I doubt he was the only one.

People still don't like to admit they vote for selfish reasons.

We like to have some more "objective" rationale.

This is an obstacle.

I think it was Milliband to a point, my Sister and BIL, basically Blairites were really disillusioned with the election options, and really didn't like Ed, too weak, weird, etc, I have a horrible feeling they voted tory.

 

[CNT36]

I think a lot of people realised that what Labour and the Tories were offering wasn't massively different so they voted on issues of leadership and competence. Unfortunately they thought it best to vote for the ones that they thought more competent and the better leader.

 

[Pickman's model]

I think a lot of people realised that what Labour and the Tories were offering wasn't massively different so they voted on issues of leadership and competence. Unfortunately they thought it best to vote for the ones that they thought more competent and the better leader.

i think a lot of people thought "a plague on all your houses" and stopped at home or went to the pub or took a turn in the park instead of participating in the electoral farce.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

The only person to bring up Miliband's "personality/image" during the election to me was someone who had already decided to vote Tory for selfish, economic reasons. The blah about charisma, statesmanship, leadership etc. was just a post-hoc salve to his conscience/ego as his self image was not of a m/c Tory voter.

I doubt he was the only one.

People still don't like to admit they vote for selfish reasons.

We like to have some more "objective" rationale.

This is an obstacle.

Real fucking cunts these sorts. Scum of the lowest order. I hope they all go bankrupt and have to remortgage their homes.

 

[Pickman's model]

Real fucking cunts these sorts. Scum of the lowest order. I hope they all go bankrupt and have to remortgage their homes.

i suspect people who've gone bankrupt find it rather difficult to obtain a mortgage.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

i suspect people who've gone bankrupt find it rather difficult to obtain a mortgage.

Indeed.

Correction: I hope they default on their mortgage.

 

[Pickman's model]

Indeed.

Correction: I hope they default on their mortgage.

what's wrong with simply wishing them a disfiguring skin complaint which while utterly painless exposes their inner ugliness to the world?

 

[Pickman's model]

a portrait of a tory soul recently

 

[Jeff Robinson]

I think these poll options sum it up nicely:

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/how-much-do-you-hate-the-tories.247568/

 

[Nancy_Winks]

I think these poll options sum it up nicely:

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/how-much-do-you-hate-the-tories.247568/

Those poll options

I don't hate Tories (I don't mean the political party I do hate them, but people who voted Tory). I'd have to hate a lot of people I know.

Read this article in the guardian today which seemed to talk some sense about the lefts view on Tory voters. Saying that the idea that everyone good just is Labour and not Tory is bollocks, and

If anyone wants to listen to the so-called “shy Tories”, what you will often hear is not talk of aspiration but a desire to be left alone by the state – even a deep suspicion of it. This contradiction for anyone on the left has long been apparent. Imagining that all good reform comes from the state and everything bad from outside just does not correspond to people’s lived experience.

Class solidarity cannot be imposed from the outside. As core Labour votes go to Ukip or the SNP, the metropolitan left tells us consistently that nationalism is not a concept worth organising around, but then has a kind of Syriza-in-Surrey fantasy.

I thought they were good points.

 

[Nancy_Winks]

Bloody hell kabbes chilango


You're right, I am out of touch with the people in this country who would rather those at the bottom suffer so those above them can prosper. I don't understand them, but thankfully there's still millions of us left who do care about them, so we will try our best to look after them through charitable means while this government focuses on the important stuff like reversing the ban on fox hunting and giving tax breaks to the wealthiest in society. It is controversial, and slightly bonkers, to blame for the Labour party for what happened in Rotherham. Very bizarre indeed.



The irony is a lot of the tories shes addressing could be a lot closer the 'them' that 'we' will look after through 'charitable means'!


Ugh! Just ugh

It's fucking bollocks that kind of view isn't it

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Those poll options

I don't hate Tories (I don't mean the political party I do hate them, but people who voted Tory). I'd have to hate a lot of people I know.

Read this article in the guardian today which seemed to talk some sense about the lefts view on Tory voters. Saying that the idea that everyone good just is Labour and not Tory is bollocks, and
I thought they were good points.

I agree with you in so far as I only really hate tory voters in the abstract. My grandparents were all tory voters and I loved them. What I do hate is the political ignorance of tory voters and/or the narrow self-interest that they bring to their ballot papers.

Thought the segment of the article you quoted was bollocks though. How many people on the left think that 'all good reform comes from the state and everything bad from outside'? I've certainly never come across anybody who thinks anything like that. And what does a 'desire to be left alone by the state' even mean? Nobody likes to be coerced or spied upon by the state or anybody else, but most support the collective provision of health, education and social security for people who fall on hard times. All to often this 'left alone by the state' rhetoric simply means 'I want to pay less taxes'. Let's not dress narrow self-interest in the clothes of principled libertarianism.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

The 'left alone by the state' voters must be delighted at the outcome...

 

[Nancy_Winks]

I agree with you in so far as I only really hate tory voters in the abstract. My grandparents were all tory voters and I loved them. What I do hate is the political ignorance of tory voters and/or the narrow self-interest that they bring to their ballot papers.

Thought the segment of the article you quoted was bollocks though. How many people on the left think that 'all good reform comes from the state and everything bad from outside'? I've certainly never come across anybody who thinks anything like that. And what does a 'desire to be left alone by the state' even mean? Nobody likes to be coerced or spied upon by the state or anybody else, but most support the collective provision of health, education and social security for people who fall on hard times. All to often this 'left alone by the state' rhetoric simply means 'I want to pay less taxes'. Let's not dress narrow self-interest in the clothes of principled libertarianism.

Good post

 

[Quartz]

Faced with two parties, both of whom share the same set of neoliberal, pro-austerity assumptions, it is little surprise that some people picked the one that seemed to know what it was doing, rather than the one that didn't.

This. And the Tories - by luck more than judgement - have timed things so it seems to be working at the moment. "It's the economy, stupid!" as they say.

 

[Dogsauce]

It's a weak recovery, they've not sorted out the deficit as promised and loads of people are still in the shit and facing worsening conditions at work. They over-sold their competence on the economy, but it was obviously convincing enough.

 

[BigTom]

It's a weak recovery, they've not sorted out the deficit as promised and loads of people are still in the shit and facing worsening conditions at work. They over-sold their competence on the economy, but it was obviously convincing enough.

It's not like Labour have a different plan, so it comes to what FW says, both proposing the same, people see Tories as more competent. Had Labour proposed something very different, they might have been able to get those votes, because they had a better plan, but as it was, they had the same plan, done worse. Not something I'd like to try to sell.

 

[NoXion]

The 'left alone by the state' voters must be delighted at the outcome...

I think it's only just now sunk in for me how fucking scary and totalitarian that statement is. I mean seriously, if one is not breaking any laws (and even then, not all UK laws are just or sensible or worth obeying), then why the fuck should one's behaviour be of any concern to the state?

It's clear to me now that the ruling classes are beginning to really try it on with regards to civil liberties, seeking to demand more than obedience to the law. They want to create a series of cookie-cutter notions of "acceptable" citizenship with anything falling out of those bounds being considered dangerous and subversive if not outright treacherous.

All this talk of "extremism" pisses me off no end because it is basically vague language cloaking fallacious thinking. I have an "extremist" position on slavery - I think it should be destroyed, root and branch, across the entire world. I don't think I'm alone in this. Yet according to the "logic" of contemporary bourgeois democracy this position warrants extra-judicial interference and surveillance by a state so scared of its own populace that it sends spies, infiltrators and provocateurs into the ranks of tiny grouplets whose ambitions don't extend beyond preventing the construction of a new bypass.

I think this bullshit we're being fed today is a lot more grating than an open and honest display of the contempt that they truly feel for us.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

People vote for all sorts of reasons. Someone in my office *seems* to support the Tories partly because she blames the last economic crash on Labour and partly because her son is in the navy and doesn't fancy his chances under the SNP.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The 'left alone by the state' voters must be delighted at the outcome...

Dead-eyed hamface cunt.
And not nice ham, either. That slimy stuff coated in jelly that comes in a triangular tin.

 

[agricola]

The 'left alone by the state' voters must be delighted at the outcome...

That is one of the main ideological branches that Conservativism rests on lopped off, then.

 

[Orang Utan]

Dead-eyed hamface cunt.
And not nice ham, either. That slimy stuff coated in jelly that comes in a triangular tin.

 

[Mr Moose]

a portrait of a tory soul recently

Some people won't vote left because they believe this is what 'lefties' think of other people who don't agree with them.

 

[toblerone3]

I keep looking on this thread looking for an expression of anger [about why they voted Tory] together with an expression of understanding/compassion.....but either way. I HATE it Was in Kensington and Chelsea over the weekend. Loads of Tories parading their cars, car horns from their white BMWs. "

 

[Duncan2]

Butchers has to be right its 'structural' I refuse to believe that the British people want to see Gideon on the seven o clock news for five more years it was only nominally a free vote please God.