D'wards
IT'S YOUR DECISION DANIEL
This is true, but he would not have been able to grass her up to his dad would he? Mummy would have just seemed a bit tired, if all had gone to plan...
Peaches Geldof is dead, age 25
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trashpony
Hag
So does that make it alright?
Not sure what point you're making here.
D'wards
IT'S YOUR DECISION DANIEL
Sigh, when did I say it was alright?So does that make it alright?
We were speculating on what may have occurred, clearly.
Rust and Marty would have a field day with all the straw men around here...
trashpony
Hag
Are we? I thought we were discussing whether shooting up when you have sole care of a baby is being a good parent/what effect that may have had on the baby.
D'wards
IT'S YOUR DECISION DANIEL
Nope, definitely some speculation on the circumstances.
Yuh soz T
It is much easier to hide than smoking weed. You can literally be virtually doing it right in front of someone and they dont notice (unless they're on it themselves)
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Gouging out?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
gouch autocorrected i believe
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
gouched?
Betsy
Well-Known Member
Who was left to his own devices,in another room, for up to 15 hours the Coroner’s Court heard....the poor mite.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
gouching. It just means being proper out of it on smack
pinning is the act of using a needle
Figures from 2011
Alcohol... 8,748
Heroin...355
Tobacco at 79,100 would seem to be the least safe
from this site
http://www.drugscope.org.uk/resources/faqs/faqpages/how-many-people-die-from-drugs
Being pinned = tiny pupils (eyes, not students) : pinholes
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
D'wards
IT'S YOUR DECISION DANIEL
But what are the figures from people who actually use these things, is more pertinent.
This makes it seem like Heroin is benign, but if 5% of people that actually take it die from it or something then its pretty bad.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
ok - that's not "a few beers" is it? The "a few beers" classification wasn't mine, btw - it was given by the person I was responding to as being a comparable level of parenting risk-taking.
also - to compare the "rate" of something you need to compare how many die per number of people doing the thing.
so - how many deaths per (for example) 100,000 intravenous heroin users compared to how many deaths per 100,000 people who would drink " a few beers".
the pure numbers you give are comparatively small for heroin, because a tiny proportion of the population take heroin compared to the proportion who drink alcohol in whatever quantity. Alcohol is a dangerous drug, not least because of it's social ubiquity in our culture... but you'd be very wrong-headed indeed to imagine that heroin is 'safer'.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
You also need to look at how those 355 people died. How many of those were preventable deaths caused by the lack of a reliable source? Quite a few, I would suggest.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
almost certainly true - but irrelevant as to why the subject came up in the first place, which was - "is it a bad parenting choice to take iv heroin while in sole charge of a young child?" Given that this parenting choice happened in the context of prohibition, there's not much value in speculating otherwise.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
His Mick Jagger stylings were certainly a crime against copyright.
Thora
Differently Ethical
Extremely lucky that baby wasn't seriously physically harmed thenWho was left to his own devices,in another room, for up to 15 hours the Coroner’s Court heard....the poor mite.
I think the tone of this morning's Metro is quite judgemental; "Peaches' baby son left alone up to 17 hours"
See also "Zammo"
See also "Zammo"
bubblesmcgrath
Well-Known Member
Yes...a lot if judging going on.
Just to clarify. ..
"Peaches' baby son left alone up to 17 hours after her death"
Oh well, that's okay then.
bubblesmcgrath
Well-Known Member
With respect......my point, which may have been missed, is as follows:
Statements are being made that she left her son on his own for 15-17 hours and comments are being made on foot of this, that she was neglectful.......when in actual fact she was dead. It's fair to point that out. I'm not going to get into judging her at all.
The coroner's report, as quoted in the media, is clear that she had been trying very hard to control her heroin problem for over two years.
"By November last year she had ceased to take heroin as a result of the considerable treatment and counselling that she had received."
"This was a significant achievement for her but, for reasons we will never know, prior to her death she returned to taking heroin, with the fatal consequences that we have heard here today."
"I therefore find that the death of Peaches Geldof was drug-related and I express my sympathy to her family."
It's pretty clear she tried to clean up her act but she lost her battle against addiction........and her life. Her kids have lost a mother who no doubt loved them and cared for and about them. Her husband has lost a wife whom he loved.
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