Peaches Geldof is dead, age 25

[Cheesypoof]

Very sad all round

His Mick Jagger stylings were certainly a crime against copyright.

I'd say Jim Morrison would be more accurate. Hutchence was a bit of a sex god himself though, brilliant vocalist too. Cant be denied.

 

[spanglechick]

I wonder if she would have died if she had been able to inject at a local facility with in-house creche? Another victim of our absurd drug laws? Obviously Heroin is a dangerous drug. The question is whether making it illegal has made it any safer.

that's a very good question - and worthy of discussion. It wasn't what we were talking about earlier, though.

 

[kenny g]

that's a very good question - and worthy of discussion. It wasn't what we were talking about earlier, though.

Well. let's move the discussion on then rather than wondering on up its own bottom.

 

[Thora]

I wonder if she would have died if she had been able to inject at a local facility with in-house creche? Another victim of our absurd drug laws? Obviously Heroin is a dangerous drug. The question is whether making it illegal has made it any safer.

I don't think her problem was a lack of childcare/resources though, was it? She wasn't an isolated single mum, she had a partner and extended family and plenty of cash for babysitters.

 

[Cheesypoof]

I reckon they should legalise it. Seems so many users die from taking a too-strong dose. I dont refer just to injecting either, some people die from snorting it. The strength of street heroin is so random, and if someone has been off it a while they will just buy some and it'll be too strong... it clearly needs to be regulated to prevent immediate death....im all for legalisation.

 

[kenny g]

I don't think her problem was a lack of childcare/resources though, was it? She wasn't an isolated single mum, she had a partner and extended family and plenty of cash for babysitters.

True - but she had a habit she felt she had to hide. It was a preventable death.

 

[Thora]

True - but she had a habit she felt she had to hide. It was a preventable death.

Do you think if it was legal she wouldn't have hidden that she started using again? Or that a legal heroin addiction wouldn't be a problem?

 

[kenny g]

Do you think if it was legal she wouldn't have hidden that she started using again? Or that a legal heroin addiction wouldn't be a problem?

Undecided. BUT if she had had somewhere legal to inject with a creche her child might not have been left alone with a dead mother for 17 hours, and she might not have died as she may have been resuscitated.

 

[Thora]

Undecided. BUT if she had had somewhere legal to inject with a creche her child might not have been left alone with a dead mother for 17 hours, and she might not have died as she may have been resuscitated.

To be honest I think she would have still wanted to hide it from her husband/family/public who thought she was an earth mother. ODing somewhere legal with your baby in a creche still isn't going to be great for your image.

 

[Cheesypoof]

Do you think if it was legal she wouldn't have hidden that she started using again? Or that a legal heroin addiction wouldn't be a problem?

if it was legal, maybe she wouldnt have died....its too sad that users die needlessly, because street heroin is too pure.

 

[Looby]

Undecided. BUT if she had had somewhere legal to inject with a creche her child might not have been left alone with a dead mother for 17 hours, and she might not have died as she may have been resuscitated.

I don't agree. As Thora said, she had family, a partner, money to pay for childcare. She didn't need a crèche.

Also, is a well known celebrity going to risk being spotted going into/at a clinic or other place for legal injecting?

It's horribly sad but she had other options that injecting alone in a house with her toddler. She couldn't have got that child to a safe place before using.

 

[kenny g]

I don't agree. As Thora said, she had family, a partner, money to pay for childcare. She didn't need a crèche.

Also, is a well known celebrity going to risk being spotted going into/at a clinic or other place for legal injecting?

It's horribly sad but she had other options that injecting alone in a house with her toddler. She couldn't have got that child to a safe place before using.

She was using a needle xchange in westminster. There are quite a few weblinks to her injecting antics. http://gawker.com/5502453/peaches-g...at-hollywoods-scientology-centerwith-pictures
At the end of the day if she had had a non-judgemental place she could mainline she might still be alive. As it is, she is dead.

 

[Looby]

She was using a needle xchange in westminster. There are quite a few weblinks to her injecting antics.

Ah ok, scrap that bit then. The rest still stands, there was absolutely no need for her to be using alone with her kids in the house.

 

[kenny g]

Ah ok, scrap that bit then. The rest still stands, there was absolutely no need for her to be using alone with her kids in the house.

Maybe she wanted company? If she had had a place to nod out with other partakers in a safer environment she might still be alive.

 

[trashpony]

Her using that exchange was years before she died and before she had kids. I'm not 100% sure what social services stance is on parenting and heroin use but I can't see that funding a creche for users to get off their tits while council tax payers look after their kids is going to be a vote winner.

 

[Poi E]

Fuck me. Imagine having your own death pulled apart like this. Guess her kids will have lots to google.

 

[Cheesypoof]

Her using that exchange was years before she died and before she had kids. I'm not 100% sure what social services stance is on parenting and heroin use but I can't see that funding a creche for users to get off their tits while council tax payers look after their kids is going to be a vote winner.

users dont always use to get off their box...they use because they have a physical dependency. Have some compassion, please.

 

[Blagsta]

users dont always use to get off their box...they use because they have a physical dependency. Have some compassion, please.

Which is what methadone is for.

 

[Cheesypoof]

Which is what methadone is for.

I dont think people that havent personally known or loved heroin addicts will ever understand that they are full human beings like the rest of us. So much judging involved, makes me feel sick.

 

[8115]

She was a heroin user/ addict. There are good reasons why people tell other people not to use heroin. That's as far as it goes for me. No judgement or rights or wrongs. Some people are luckier, some people aren't. Few escape unscathed once they're in deep. That's all.

 

[keybored]

Sodding hell, that Hopkins is ridiculous, why are they getting her on all the time?
I wish everyone would call Hopkins out for what she is (like Peaches here) every time they wheel her out, then maybe the media would just bloody STOP DOING IT!

I've never heard of her before, but what a horrible shit she is.

 

[trashpony]

users dont always use to get off their box...they use because they have a physical dependency. Have some compassion, please.

I have compassion. This whole situation is utterly tragic

 

[Blagsta]

I dont think people that havent personally known or loved heroin addicts will ever understand that they are full human beings like the rest of us. So much judging involved, makes me feel sick.

I think you're making some massive assumptions about people here.

 

[Red Cat]

I dont think people that havent personally known or loved heroin addicts will ever understand that they are full human beings like the rest of us. So much judging involved, makes me feel sick.

Blagsta was making a statement in response to you saying about using heroin because of physical dependency - that's what methadone is used for. There wasn't any moral judgement in that statement. She took heroin for other reasons, reasons we can only guess at. We don't know anything about her state of mind at the time she found herself taking a risk that killed her whilst her baby was in her care, all we know about is the outcome, which, I think most of us here, like trashpony, find utterly tragic.

 

[dylanredefined]

Her using that exchange was years before she died and before she had kids. I'm not 100% sure what social services stance is on parenting and heroin use but I can't see that funding a creche for users to get off their tits while council tax payers look after their kids is going to be a vote winner.

The daily mail headlines print themselves. It might well be a great idea. Never going to happen.

 

[Cheesypoof]

Blagsta was making a statement in response to you saying about using heroin because of physical dependency - that's what methadone is used for. There wasn't any moral judgement in that statement.

i dont mean Blagsta. Trashy's comment about getting users getting 'off their tits' seemed cynical but she has since said she finds the whole situation tragic. Some earlier comments on here have been very black and white...

 

[trashpony]

i dont mean Blagsta. Trashy's comment about getting users getting 'off their tits' seemed cynical but she has since said she finds the whole situation tragic. Some earlier comments on here have been very black and white...

I was trying to imagine how a users' crèche would be perceived by the media. Sorry was a bit late and wasn't very clear.

 

[Nancy_Winks]

I don't think her problem was a lack of childcare/resources though, was it? She wasn't an isolated single mum, she had a partner and extended family and plenty of cash for babysitters.

With all due respect I don't think you have much of an understanding of how addiction works. Because when you're on gear the decisions you make aren't rational. You don't think, yeah I'll call in my social capital and get my baby-wearing mates to have the kid while I cook up. Or I've got the money so I'll make sure I get a nanny over before I start nodding.

No. Instead your trapped in this fight in your head where you think I really shouldn't be doing this, but just one more hit, but there's my baby, but no one will know, but my husband trusts me, just a small relief, lift the weight lift the weight. And round & round you go. Until you create a small opportunity, and the desperate anticipation and the disgust, and the thrill, and the guilt dissolve in a spoon.

Addiction is secretive and selfish. The battle between what you know is right and the need to let it all go.

Just saying she could have hired a babysitter misses the point by a fair margin.

 

[Nancy_Winks]

Distressing reading. She had everything but clearly was never happy.

What the... she had everything?

She lost her mother, to heroin, when she was a child.

In what possible sense other than the most glib, materialistic sense, is this a young woman who "had everything"?

 

[Thora]

With all due respect I don't think you have much of an understanding of how addiction works. Because when you're on gear the decisions you make aren't rational. You don't think, yeah I'll call in my social capital and get my baby-wearing mates to have the kid while I cook up. Or I've got the money so I'll make sure I get a nanny over before I start nodding.

No. Instead your trapped in this fight in your head where you think I really shouldn't be doing this, but just one more hit, but there's my baby, but no one will know, but my husband trusts me, just a small relief, lift the weight lift the weight. And round & round you go. Until you create a small opportunity, and the desperate anticipation and the disgust, and the thrill, and the guilt dissolve in a spoon.

Addiction is secretive and selfish. The battle between what you know is right and the need to let it all go.

Just saying she could have hired a babysitter misses the point by a fair margin.

So you think it's more likely that she'd go and find a creche then?