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<snip> of course it matters which side said it first. Since "Welsh" people inhabited Britain long before the "English," it is clear that the English must have nicked it from the Welsh, not vice versa.
So now you claim to know that the word was commonly used before the Angles and the Saxons arrived - got any proof of that? Pick a border, any border, theft and trade go on in both directions.

Right, let's see if I can get more sense out of a GP than out of you...
 
Fortunately language evolves.

Evolves, does it? What, like the survival of the fittest? Competitive adaptation of individual words to their environment? I must say that's a remarkable discovery you've made there, you really must alert the experts, you'll be world famous by breakfast.

Fool that you are.
 
So now you claim to know that the word was commonly used before the Angles and the Saxons arrived - got any proof of that?

Logical proof I have. The word "meidda" means "to beg." Now, who is likely to be doing the begging: the conquerors or the conquered?
 
Emotional are we?
Google David Crystal, he explains much better than the idiot I am could ever do.:D

First of all, Crystal is widely and rightly regarded as a profoundly eccentric fellow. Second, he does not claims that language evolves.

I suspect that you have somehow confused the concept of "evolution" with that of "change." Fool that you are.

You'll recall that you've agreed to leave this thread. Would you mind honoring that agreement now please? Thank you in advance.
 
You first pwdin nos da.

Twpsyn, we're trying to have a discussion here. You're welcome to stay and learn but please, you must stop disrupting our conversation. You'll find you enjoy it far more that way.

I'm off for a bit, can someone else handle the job of chasing Sprocket away for a while? He won't have to be told too many more times, I don't think. Cheers.
 
Eye of the beholder though innit.

To me, trolling is saying something you don't believe. I never do that.

To others, trolling seems to be saying something provocative, or in a provocative manner, or even in a forceful manner, or even in a manner that utilizes some rhetorical devices now and again.

Sorry, but the latter definition of "trolling" (and I know it's not yours) just seems like ignorance to me.
I've no idea whether or not you believe the stuff that you post, but an admission that your post was deliberate provocation is a little sad.
 
I never claimed to be immune. How could anyone be immune? But at least I can perceive the situation for what it is..

As I say, no-one can avoid this process entirely. But the possibility of resistance can only spring from knowledge of what is happening--knowledge that most people are evidently far from possessing.

Phil - you are seriously overthinking this. I don't agree with your hypothesis but its wrong to lump EVERYONE in the public eye together. We all like/dislike famous people to some degrees. I wasn't one of the Diana mourners as I cant stand the Royal family and I wasn't a Diana 'fan' either. However, I was shocked when she died and felt quite sad about it, like most people. I found all the pageantry and outpouring of grief crazily excessive, even gross, but you cannot but be kind of moved/ affected by it.

However, when Amy Winehouse died, I was very upset about it and felt genuine grief for her passing. Here at last was this brilliant, beautiful artist with the best voice since Janis Joplin, so many albums ahead of her. Her music genuinely excited me and I thought she was the best thing since Prince. When she died, I felt crushed. As it turns out, one of my best friends died the same day as Winehouse and although he had been ill, it was a big shock. Obviously I loved my friend very much but that did not take away that I was also genuinely upset about Amy. I was at the Secret Garden festival at the time, and many people were crying. I don't find it surprising and I would never call it insincere or ungenuine. Some people are very emotional, very sensitive, and death is very shocking. I can say that I am genuinely upset that Peaches Geldof has died, that's how I feel, and it is not a shallow feeling - neither could it be compared to my feelings about loved ones who I know personally who have passed. The two are not comparable.
 
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Evolves, does it? What, like the survival of the fittest? Competitive adaptation of individual words to their environment? I must say that's a remarkable discovery you've made there, you really must alert the experts, you'll be world famous by breakfast.

The experts appear to be aware of this..

evolution
The gradual development of something: the forms of written languages undergo constant evolution

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/evolution

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Phil - you are seriously overthinking this. I don't agree with your hypothesis but its wrong to lump Diana in the same category as ANYONE in the public eye. I wasn't one of the Diana mourners as I cant stand the Royal family and I wasn't a Diana 'fan' either. However, I was shocked when she died and felt quite sad about it, like most people. I found all the pageantry and outpouring of grief crazily excessive, even gross, but you cannot but he kind of moved/ affected by it.

However, when Amy Winehouse died, I was very upset about it and felt genuine grief for her passing. Here at last was this brilliant, beautiful artist with the best voice since Janis Joplin, so many albums ahead of her. Her music genuinely excited me and I thought she was the best thing since Prince. When she died, I felt crushed. As it turns out, one of my best friends died the same day as Winehouse and although he had been ill, it was a big shock. Obviously I loved my friend very much but that did not take away that I was also genuinely upset about Amy. I was at the Secret Garden festival at the time, and many people were crying. I don't find it surprising and I would never call it insincere or ungenuine. Some people are very emotional, very sensitive, and death is very shocking. I can say that I am genuinely upset that Peaches Geldof has died, that's how I feel, and it is not a shallow feeling - neither could it be compared to my feelings about loved ones who I know personally who have passed. The two are not comparable.

Thanks for this thoughtful post Cheesy, I'll think about it. I've got to go for a swim now, but I'll respond properly later.
 
Thanks for this thoughtful post Cheesy, I'll think about it. I've got to go for a swim now, but I'll respond properly later.

no worries Phil. We are all entitled to our opinions. I just want to make clear my position.
 
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Change and development are of course entirely different concepts from evolution.

Really must dash now.
a dictionary said:
evolution
ˌiːvəˈluːʃ(ə)n,ˈɛv-/
noun
  1. 1.
    the process by which different kinds of living organism are believed to have developed from earlier forms during the history of the earth.
    synonyms:Darwinism, natural selection More

  2. 2.
    the gradual development of something.
    "the forms of written languages undergo constant evolution"
    synonyms:development, advancement, growth, rise, progress, progression,expansion, extension, unfolding; More
Words can have more than one meaning. You're quite right that language does not evolve in the first sense given above but it does in the second.
 
Read it again. I made no such admission, for the simple reason that it isn't true.

Re-read...

To me, trolling is saying something you don't believe. I never do that.

To others, trolling seems to be saying something provocative, or in a provocative manner, or even in a forceful manner, or even in a manner that utilizes some rhetorical devices now and again.

Sorry, but the latter definition of "trolling" (and I know it's not yours) just seems like ignorance to me.

...and in the eye of this beholder you appear to be accepting that your earlier posting in the thread did conform to that latter definition of trolling.

I can see that you denied posting stuff you believe to untrue, but offering your preferred definition, not denying the other applied to your posting, and claiming that anyone judging you a troll on this basis was ignorant, suggests that you gave away more than you intended.
 
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Actually proper trolling is starting a subject and standing back whilst everyone else slugs it out. Holding and defending a contentious position may well be just that. Although I'm sure he thoroughly enjoys it.
 
Sorry to be the one to point out the elephant in the room here. She fucking od'd while leaving an 11 month old kid crawling around the house and another young one to live with this too.

I've had mates who have done the same. And sorry. But personally I find it fuckin inexcusable. I loved those mates but if you bring kids into the world take some responsibility. She fucked up, big time.

It's a really sad story, mostly coz I think a lot of us have endured this shit, not because of her celebrity. Gah.
 
I can say that I am genuinely upset that Peaches Geldof has died, that's how I feel, and it is not a shallow feeling - neither could it be compared to my feelings about loved ones who I know personally who have passed. The two are not comparable.

I think the last sentence is the important bit.

However I don't think everyone is as well-adjusted as you. I think that many people experience their feelings for celebrities as entirely comparable to their feelings for real people. Not necessarily of the same intensity, but as a feeling of the same nature. That's a serious ethical problem, right?

The other thing to remember is that celebrities don't arise out of nowhere. There's a multi-billion dollar industry dedicated to making people pay attention to them. That certainly aims to make money, but it also aims to reproduce the conditions under which it can make money, which is to say it deliberately inculcates celebrity-obssession in its victims.
 
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I can see that you denied posting stuff you believe to untrue, but offering your preferred definition, not denying the other applied to your posting, and claiming that anyone judging you a troll on this basis was ignorant, suggests that you gave away more than you intended.

Oh I see what you mean now. All I can say is that if posting something provocative (as opposed to something one does not believe) makes one a troll, then pretty much everyone here is one.
 
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