Peaches Geldof is dead, age 25
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The true tragedy of this is that under the policy for drug users in the sixties she would have had a diamorphine script and may well have raised her children and gone on to live to a ripe old age whilst still using.But oh no they stopped it and made people go to that black-market resulting in deaths and misery all around.
Lemon Eddy
Disliked by dwyer
A leap implies a movement in one direction. That meandering bollocks is more akin to drunken musings.
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1. Speculating on the private life of a celebrity unknown to you is prurient.
2. Instigating and indulging in a lengthy examination and discussion of same is weird and unhealthy.
3. Using latter revelations concerning a tragedy to demonstrate some ego boosting point, is sad and pathetic
(Although I dont' entirely disagree with your points I quoted... Actually just the Dianna one really.)
1. Speculating on the private life of a celebrity unknown to you is prurient.
2. Instigating and indulging in a lengthy examination and discussion of same is weird and unhealthy.
3. Using latter revelations concerning a tragedy to demonstrate some ego boosting point, is sad and pathetic
(Although I dont' entirely disagree with your points I quoted... Actually just the Dianna one really.)
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Well said. I'm guessing dwyer's never lost anyone in this way. If he had, he wouldn't be twatting on like this.
el-ahrairah
forward communism, forward gerbils!
More so if someone off urban got sent down for it!
to be fair, you'd get away with it because there are literally thousands of us and we've all got a motive.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Bunned to death?
(Spoiler alert) Almost like the plot of Murder on the Orient Express!
ffsear
Well-Known Member
What if the emotional is sexual? Like when i look at Kelly Brook. Can i be human then?
(Although I dont' entirely disagree with your points I quoted... Actually just the Dianna one really.)
And I don't entirely disagree with your earlier points either.
But I must differ with you over Diana's death. In some ways the Brits were lucky to experience that, because it revealed the dangers of Emotional Totalitarianism most aptly.
Younger readers may find this hard to believe, but for months after the crash it was impossible to express anything other than grief--indifference would literally have been fighting talk.
To me it seemed to involve a standarization of emotion, a refusal of the particular and the personal in favor of the mass-produced, the commodified, the artificial.
Today however, many appear to prefer artificial emotion to the genuine article. And why not? It's less hassle after all. Hence, I suggest, all the howling hysterical sorrow.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
i remember the sick jokes doing the rounds at least a week after the event
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
If we'd had internet back then like we do now, they'd have started within minutes.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The mainstream media acted as if the whole country were in mourning. Very different. Same thing happened with the Queen Mother, and no doubt will happen with the Queen.
Yes, back then the immediacy of the punchline was gone by the time the pigeon arrived!
I never claimed to be immune. How could anyone be immune? But at least I can perceive the situation for what it is.
This is the situation: unimaginably powerful forces are trying to eliminate authentic subjectivity and replaced it by a reified parody of the human self. They foster our obssession with celebrity in furtherance of this end.
As I say, no-one can avoid this process entirely. But the possibility of resistance can only spring from knowledge of what is happening--knowledge that most people are evidently far from possessing.
souljacker
innit
I personally slagged off Diana and the reactions of the media and grief tourists pretty much non-stop from the moment I heard she'd died. I got some funny looks but no-one ever offered me out.
No.
Nah, the Queen Mother was very different, on account of her age.
And your disjunction between the media and the public is exactly my point--the media told people how to feel (ordered them really), and even those who did not feel that way were compelled to pretend that they did, or at least to keep quiet.
We see feeble versions of this overweening attitude in the mithering on here. Emotional totalitarianism never sleeps, it merely awaits an opportunity to strike. Thank Christ Peaches doesn't seem to be cutting it, at least not beyond the rather unique confines of this thread.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Rubbish.
Nobody was compelled to keep quiet. Souljacker wasn't. I wasn't. We did not have access to the media, which studiously ignored such sentiments, that's all.
btw, I don't think your use of Northwest vernacular is strictly accurate.
Rubbish.
Nobody was compelled to keep quiet. Souljacker wasn't. I wasn't. We did not have access to the media, which studiously ignored such sentiments, that's all.
It was the first time the media's ability to get inside people's heads and change the way they think became clear.
Encouraging people to identify with celebrity icons as if they were personal acquaintances is a vital part of this project. It contributes to the waning of affect in personal relations that is so often remarked by contemporary commentators.
But don't take my word for it. Try a thought experiment. Think of the most celebrity-obssessed people you know. Then think of the least emotionally literate people you know. They're the same people, right?
But I haven't used any Northwest vernacular. Northwest where?
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yes, yes, yes and yes....but, having accepted that no-one could be immune to the forces of capital driving such reification, when you post stuff like this:-
you do leave yourself open to accusations of trolling.
Rubbish.
Nobody was compelled to keep quiet. Souljacker wasn't. I wasn't. We did not have access to the media, which studiously ignored such sentiments, that's all.
btw, I don't think your use of Northwest vernacular is strictly accurate.
Eye of the beholder though innit.
To me, trolling is saying something you don't believe. I never do that.
To others, trolling seems to be saying something provocative, or in a provocative manner, or even in a forceful manner, or even in a manner that utilizes some rhetorical devices now and again.
Sorry, but the latter definition of "trolling" (and I know it's not yours) just seems like ignorance to me.
Mithering?
That's Welsh that is. Lots of supposedly English words have Welsh origins, such as coom and penguin.
Check the map some time - northwestern England and north Wales share the Dee estuary.
Which side first used that word is about as relevant as wondering whose lungs currently enclose the carbon dioxide I exhaled first thing this morning.
Which side first used that word is about as relevant as wondering whose lungs currently enclose the carbon dioxide I exhaled first thing this morning.
No it's not, the pronunciation is completely different.
In reality the Welsh version is "meidda," which is pronounced exactly the same as the so-called "English." In Wales it means to go from door to door begging for milk, as one does.
And Greebo--of course it matters which side said it first. Since "Welsh" people inhabited Britain long before the "English," it is clear that the English must have nicked it from the Welsh, not vice versa.
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