But it wasn't idle speculation, was it? As it turned out.
Peaches Geldof is dead, age 25
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But it wasn't idle speculation, was it? As it turned out.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
You obviously can't help yourself can you? I'm not gonna give you any more of what you crave.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Your parents must have made some huge mistakes then. Well they made at least one....
Well I was, wasn't I? Nothing wrong with pointing that out. Just noting the fact.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
ai but then you are a bit of a knob on here tooWhat's wrong with you people? Just because Phil said it doesn't mean it's wrongHe was quite clearly 100% correct. The coroner agrees.
5t3IIa
Registered User
Yes. And these recent posts from 'Doctor' Carrot and d'dr'aig are bizarre - it's like arguing Ipswich didn't win the 1978 FA Cup. It's on wikipedia and everything
Well thanks for that at least.
And to be honest, I do see the point you're making. But the fact remains that, faced with the choice between insincere expostulations of grief and petty message-board point-scoring, I find the latter about ten million times preferable to the former, ethically speaking.
How about you?
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
If people had listened to phil, Peaches might be alive today, you stupid cunts.
Yes. And these recent posts from 'Doctor' Carrot and d'dr'aig are bizarre - it's like arguing Ipswich didn't win the 1978 FA Cup. It's on wikipedia and everything
I know. It's like denying the moon-landing. But facts are stubborn things.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
FTR, Peaches Geldof has not been proven to be a 'junkie'.
Wot?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
That's where the thread went wrong. There now appears to be some evidence that Phil's previous supposition of Peaches' heroin abuse was well founded, (not 100% proved...but hey), but LBJ's accusation that he is full of shit seemed to be as a response to Phil's assertion that Peaches' assumed addictive personality disorder was an inheritable predisposition. I understand that such a view is debatable?
Yes, it is debateable.
In that debate, I incline strongly towards the view that addictive tendencies are very frequently passed from parents to children. This does not of course mean that they are inheritable in any biological sense, a proposition that I deplore.
As evidence for the inheritable nature of addictive behavior I adduce the cases of Paula and Peaches. Their deaths are too similar in mode and circumstance for us to ascribe it to chance.
Indeed, some have noted that Peaches posted a "pic" to the "web" showing Paula and herself together very shortly before her demise, suggesting an element of conscious imitation.
Personally however, I believe that such compulsions are always invisible to those who suffer from them, no matter how obvious they may appear to outsiders.
OU is right - there is a VAST difference between someone being a 'junkie' (what an ugly word) so lets say addict with a habit - and a former user who had a slip up. That could be the case with Peaches Geldof. Sadly, you cannot take ANY risks with using heroin as there is always a chance it will kill you.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Has the cause of death even been announced in the inquest yet?
no, I think its this afternoon.
It is true that overdoses often befall former users who have "kicked" the "habit" for a period, before imprudently resuming injecting at their previous "dose," thus failing to take account of the decrease in tolerance occasioned by even short-term abstinence.
In this case however, consistent reports over the past four years point to a different pattern.
mrsfran
Well-Known Member
What's wrong with you people? Just because Phil said it doesn't mean it's wrong
What's the correct response to one's idle speculation four years ago subsequently turning out to be true when a young mother dies? Is it "Oh dear, I wish I hadn't been right about this" or is it "Oh look, I got it right! I'm so clever and everyone should listen to me from now on! Look at how right I was!" ?
I find this gloating over the tragic death of a young mother to prove a point quite nauseating!
Let me just advance a few serious (seriously) points here, then I'll leave you to mourn in peace.
1. Expressing grief over the death of a celebrity unknown to you is insincere.
2. Feeling grief over the death of a celebrity unknown to you is crazy.
3. Those who claim to feel, or who actually feel, grief over the death of a celebrity unknown to them are frequently the most lacking in affect towards the flesh-and-blood human beings they actually do know.
4. The emotions some people now experience, or claim to experience, or believe that they experience, with regard to celebrities is somehow crowding out, distorting and even destroying the emotions they feel about real-life people.
5. This all started with the death of Diana, when for weeks it was practically illegal to express anything othr than profound grief and sorrow.
6. I call this "emotional totalitarianism."
7. Emotional totalitarianism bespeaks the death of the human soul.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
thats a big leap in steps1-7
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Were you even in Britain when that happened? Plenty of people didn't give two shits.
You really think so?
You really think it's a big leap from people expriencing--sincerely, actually expriencing--the most tender and precious of human emotions in relation to celebrities who they do not know and who could not give a tinker's cuss about them to the death of the human soul?
I don't think it's a leap at all. In fact I think they're the same thing.
Part of the time I was, yes. Of course plenty of people didn't give two shits. My point is that nobody could say they didn't give two shits, at least not in public.
Emotional totalitarianism, see. Pernicious and soul-destroying.
I find nothing strange at all about being upset about the death of Peaches Geldof, or any other 'young' person. VP made a good point earlier that you may not personally know these people, but can certainly feel affected by the tragedy of their story. I imagine when John Lennon was murdered plenty of his fans were pretty upset too...
What are you taking?
I am not grieving for no one.
I am just being human.
Do you have pigeons flying about in your head?
It depends what you mean by "upset."
Naturally such deaths are a matter of regret. But I think that anyone whose emotions on hearing of the death of a celebrity are in any way comparable to those they would feel on hearing of the death of a loved one is a psychopath (and that's not a term I use lightly).
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