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Paul Embery

Is that where he’s gone? I thought he was in the LP still?

Agree on Malik. He’s produced some brilliant work of late, which is completely overlooked.
He is still in LP (I think) but has written for spiked and swimming in that pool. Writes for that unherd too which was started by tim montgomery (since left) and regularly features douglas murray. Not company I'd keep or expect any trade unionist to keep but there we are, maybe I'm not independent of mind enough.

Yeah I rate Malik a lot
 
He is still in LP (I think) but has written for spiked and swimming in that pool. Writes for that unherd too which was started by tim montgomery (since left) and regularly features douglas murray.

He’s definitely getting more engaged in the ‘culture war’. A pity.
 
He is still in LP (I think) but has written for spiked and swimming in that pool. Writes for that unherd too which was started by tim montgomery (since left) and regularly features douglas murray. Not company I'd keep or expect any trade unionist to keep but there we are, maybe I'm not independent of mind enough.

Yeah I rate Malik a lot
Spoke at Labour Brexit fringe meeting
 
I was watching/listening to him being interviewed on a Trigger Nometry podcast yesterday and whilst not in agreement all the time it was interesting. This however is utterly pathetic.
As this bit from a (subbed) documentary on the Chilean student movement shows, he's parroting the weasely language used by the dictatorship to cover its policy of education commodification and social stratification.

 
Another piece by Rod Liddle in the Spectator oh wait

Paragraph 4 is good. Yes you mean white people, Paul, we all know it. You're writing this in the fucking Spectator. We also know you won't "just say white people" for a few years but it will come, because the liberals drove you to it.

Does he? I think growing up in Dagenham around the Ford factory he means white, black and asian working class communities? I think he’s written extensively about this tbf.

As for writing for The Spectator though I couldn’t agree more. I get he’s got a grievance against the middle class left and the FBU, but if your response is to start writing pissy stuff like this for them. Well....
 
yeah - he even goes on to say this in his article:
working-class people desire cultural security as well as economic security, and that Labour’s transformation into a metropolitan, middle-class party which relentlessly pushes a liberal cosmopolitan agenda has alienated many people in our traditional heartlands, such as those in my home town of Dagenham
He's not talking about African cultural security there, or an internationalist working class cultural identity, is he? If he is he needs to take a lot more care to not parrot far right slogans.

eta: bonus points for "cosmopolitan"
 
I don't like Paul Embery as I think I've made clear on here before (I used to think he came out with some interesting stuff alongside some bollocks but he took a grim political turn some time back imo) but I don't think he does explicitly mean white people. His wife is mixed race fwiw. I think he harks back for a lost w/c without recognising the current and I think that's tied up with lots of stuff on an implicit level but did he write that to mean white people, no. Although you'd think he'd have learnt his lesson throwing around the word cosmopolitan after his rootless cosmopolitan thing a while back
 
I don't like Paul Embery as I think I've made clear on here before (I used to think he came out with some interesting stuff alongside some bollocks but he took a grim political turn some time back imo) but I don't think he does explicitly mean white people. His wife is mixed race fwiw. I think he harks back for a lost w/c without recognising the current and I think that's tied up with lots of stuff on an implicit level but did he write that to mean white people, no. Although you'd think he'd have learnt his lesson throwing around the word cosmopolitan after his rootless cosmopolitan thing a while back
traditional heartlands? metropolitan? look we all know what he means, and the target audience definitely do
 
traditional heartlands? metropolitan? look we all know what he means, and the target audience definitely do
I agree it isn't a palatable politics. I just don't think he means white. I think he means a working class that doesn't exist any more. If it ever did really, more his idea of what the working class was. I dunno, I'm doing a shit job of finding the words here and tbh what's the point cos I think he's a knob
 
I agree it isn't a palatable politics. I just don't think he means white. I think he means a working class that doesn't exist any more. If it ever did really, more his idea of what the working class was. I dunno, I'm doing a shit job of finding the words here and tbh what's the point cos I think he's a knob
He's trying to express a class based anti-elitism through identity politics. It's going to be heavily tied to his own cultural experience rather than class experience and he ends up romanticising and inventing it and its enemy. He's a grown up trying to centre class- he should damn well know better.
 
I agree it isn't a palatable politics. I just don't think he means white. I think he means a working class that doesn't exist any more. If it ever did really, more his idea of what the working class was. I dunno, I'm doing a shit job of finding the words here and tbh what's the point cos I think he's a knob
I agree, and I was late to the party of seeing he was a knob also.
I think sometimes people don’t take into account that being shit with words isn’t just a non-pro thing, like that paragraph is obviously screaming racist to some but I didn’t pick up on it. Heartlands? *takes notes furiously*
 
I think BA is being a bit generous as to his motivations tbh but, well, I don't know him and I've only come across him relatively recently.

Regardless, he's doing damage and what he is saying is bad and racist. Maybe he could stop but it looks like he's in the arc where, with the most positive view of his attitude (which I don't share) anyone critical is going to be dismissed, and the r/w elements that he's already deep in with are going to reinforce their position.
 
Ugly stuff.

.As an old-fashioned trade unionist hailing from a working-class heartland who supports Brexit, opposes mass immigration and doesn’t believe someone with a penis can be a woman

.as though the social services department at Camden council and the Labour club at the University of Sussex have arranged a joint charabanc trip to the coast

For the liberal left, patriotism is an evil, of course

liberal cosmopolitan agenda

traditional values of work, family and community.

This is my Labour party — proud, patriotic, respecting of history and democracy
 
Please tell me this is a lie.
EMMALINE! Was a childhood fave of mine.

Your childhood was a lie.

From his obituary in the Guardian:

In the early 80s, Brown also became known as that rare thing: a pop musician who was publicly and proudly Tory. While Margaret Thatcher was prime minister he appeared at the Conservative party conference and treated delegates to a rendition of John Lennon’s Imagine.
 
Your childhood was a lie.

From his obituary in the Guardian:
That’s really fucking upsetting. My grannie appears to have bought The Beat’s “Stand Down Margaret Thatcher” on vinyl, which we only discovered after she died and I went online searching for the weird cover that I used to always pick out and ask her to play, and my auntie who we thought was the culprit confirmed “nah that wasn’t mine”

There, balance restored :)
 
That’s really fucking upsetting. My grannie appears to have bought The Beat’s “Stand Down Margaret Thatcher” on vinyl, which we only discovered after she died and I went online searching for the weird cover that I used to always pick out and ask her to play, and my auntie who we thought was the culprit confirmed “nah that wasn’t mine”

There, balance restored :)

Maybe he was pranking them? Hot Chocolate kind of passed me by. I was listening to Culture Club at the time. :oops:
 
Maybe he was pranking them? Hot Chocolate kind of passed me by. I was listening to Culture Club at the time. :oops:
I don’t suppose he was, soul has Toryism in it’s history look at the Godfather Brown, he was well conservative and used to stick his hand in the air indicating the number of tenners he was docking a band member’s wages by if they made a mistake. The peedie shite!
 
Perhaps he should've worded his dopey sentimentality in a way that looks a bit less like the literal translation of Vichy France's slogan.
 
Bit weird valuing work as one of three core things really isn't it. I thought blue labour's line was faith family flag anyway
 
Bit weird valuing work as one of three core things really isn't it. I thought blue labour's line was faith family flag anyway

The value of work - in the sense he means - has contradictory meanings. On one hand it’s sometimes remembering centrality, industrial unionism, solidarities, high levels of worker control over work organisation and increasing terms and conditions. On the other it often overlooks dangerous and dirty work and conflict. Sometimes it over emphasises largely mythical ideas of paternal employers and on occasion it’s about whiteness and ideas of privilege.
 
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