Paramilitary Style Group Protests In Luton
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harpo
Listening to Radio Jackie
Well, yes and no. They seem to quickly ban anyone who doesn't go along with the collective mindset. It may *look* better, if that matters, but it isn't better. It's indicative of a closed, authoritarian mindset. But then, we already knew that.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
The "workers in uniform" line. The tippy toed, hushed voice, funerial treatment of these types of patriotic events.
The desperate highlighting of the shit politics of the demonstrators as a veil to hide the fact that you actually oppose anyone demonstrating at a military parade.
This was an anti war protest. Regardless of the politics of the group demonstrating .It was a legitimate political act. It was exactly the kind of thing the anti war movement should be doing.
I knew you were a mili. Ask yourself how I could guess? The same old cowardly line you always held when faced with anti imperialist struggles. I remember how you turned your backs on Irish nationalists with your "workers unity" tosh. Some things never change.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
dennisr
the acceptable face
As with the struggle in Northern Ireland you would prefer workers at each others throats in the name of 'anti-imperialism' after all "that's exactly the kind of thing the anti-war movement should be doing". That's how to break the jingoistic illusions of sections of the working class from these illusions - its got nothing to do with building on the very real social inequalities those workers face in common - raising class questions? The way to break those workers from the boss illusions is to tell em 'your solder boy families should be killed, imperialist lackeys'. oh boy.
No wonder your little sect was so successful (and the 'anti-imperialist' struggle as you would call it in NI for that matter). And then you have the cheek to blame the failings of "the left".
Why don't we knock up a leaflet for you gobshite? - I'm happy to prepare and print it for you (at my cost) and send you off to some soldier boys homecomings. You write it - i'll prepare and lay it - A genuine offer.
Lets test how correct you are, how solid your 'anti-imperialist' support for yout 'brothers' is, how brave you are, just how solid your anti-war rhetoric is.
Go on - make my day, prove yourself - we could even have a sweepstake here on urban.
I'm getting a bit cheesed off the accusations for 'cowardice' by you spotty anonymous wee internet warriors - lets see what you are made of - prove us wrong.
audiotech
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Might be useful to examine the history of the 'Troops Out Movement', who sometimes protested outside army recruitment offices, whilst avoiding, as far as I'm aware, any notion of attending, or organising any emotive demos at parades?
An organisation to learn from perhaps, as they had some notable successes in influencing, for example, trade union policy, and Labour party policy during the Labour's long days in opposition?
Mind you, Colin Wallace did say they were the most infiltrated organisation in Britain?
dylans
overlord of all acorns
As with the struggle in Northern Ireland you would prefer workers at each others throats in the name of 'anti-imperialism' after all "that's exactly the kind of thing the anti-war movement should be doing". That's how to break the jingoistic illusions of sections of the working class from these illusions - its got nothing to do with building on the very real social inequalities those workers face in common - raising class questions? The way to break those workers from the boss illusions is to tell em 'your solder boy families should be killed, imperialist lackeys'. oh boy.
No wonder your little sect was so successful (and the 'anti-imperialist' struggle as you would call it in NI for that matter). And then you have the cheek to blame the failings of "the left".
Why don't we knock up a leaflet for you gobshite? - I'm happy to prepare and print it for you (at my cost) and send you off to some soldier boys homecomings. You write it - i'll prepare and lay it - A genuine offer.
Lets test how correct you are, how solid your 'anti-imperialist' support for yout 'brothers' is, how brave you are, just how solid your anti-war rhetoric is.
Go on - make my day, prove yourself - we could even have a sweepstake here on urban.
I'm getting a bit cheesed off the accusations for 'cowardice' by you spotty anonymous wee internet warriors - lets see what you are made - prove us wrong.
I don't need to justify my political credentials to a little twerp like you. You have no idea who I am or what I have done.
As I said I have been out of the country for a long time so I am not up on how awful your politics are these days.
I do remember you refusing to support Argentina in the Falklands war.
I remember you condemning Irish republicans and equating nationalist violence and Unionist violence .I remember you calling Irish nationalists "godfathers". I'm sure you haven't changed.
I remember you refusing to support Iraq during the invasion of Kuwait.
I recall you dismissing gay rights struggles as middle class and irrelevant.
Your record at opposing imperialism and social chauvinism is appalling. So no thanks, I will politely decline your offer.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Might be useful to examine the history of the 'Troops Out Movement', who sometimes protested outside army recruitment offices, whilst avoiding, as far as I'm aware, any notion of attending, or organising any emotive demos at parades?
An organisation to learn from perhaps, as they had some notable successes in influencing, for example, trade union policy, and Labour party policy during the Labour's long days in opposition?
Mind you, Colin Wallace did say they were the most infiltrated organisation in Britain?
I was a member for 15 years. Also an organisation condemned as hopelessly nationalist by dennisr's mili friends
dennisr
the acceptable face
There's a surprise - come on fella its your opportunity to prove just how appalling our record is.
You have an audience dylan - now's your chance. Expose these social chauvanists.
After all your 'brothers' are desperate enough to turn themselves into human bombs, Its the least you can do??
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dennisr
the acceptable face
Funny isn't it - its OK for you to spout all sorts of idiotic shite and lies
Anonymous internet warrior that you are - but you don't see why you should be held accountable.
Some could draw the conclusion that for all the bravado - you are the cowardly shite here.
come on big man - prove us wrong....
Anonymous internet warrior that you are - but you don't see why you should be held accountable.
Some could draw the conclusion that for all the bravado - you are the cowardly shite here.
come on big man - prove us wrong....
dennisr
the acceptable face
Why not involved now?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Lordy lordy
That' a brilliant little insight into why this sort of left is dead as a dodo.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Tell us about your involvement with Troops out Dennisr. Oh you can't because you refused to call for troops out of Ireland didn't you. I almost forgot.
Tell us about how the falklands war was a "war against fascism" Dennisr.
Tell us about how gay people had to wait till the "important class questions" were fought before their issues could be addressed.
Do tell
Looks like arguments that the Far Right have rejected street activites as a tactic have been over estomated!!!!
What's interesting about this video is the number of placards saying 'NF go to hell'.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
I've been out of the country for 15 years.
Are you going to answer the questions or not?
dennisr
the acceptable face
Aye - us 'social chauvanists' took our que from our cdes n NI - initially drawn from members of the civil rights movement in Derry in particular. Despite, the collapse of your 'anti-imperialist' struggle, socialists still have a base in NI - playing a key role in the recent Vitreon occupation in Belfast for instance.
Thing is, I can fully understand those lads queueing up to sign up to the RA in the wake of the bloody sunday murders - i respect their commitment, if i had come from those communities i would have probably done the same thing - its the organisation's cheerleaders here in 'blighty' i find harder to respect.
Weirdly most working people in NI don't want a return to your 'anti-imperialist' war. Why do you think that is?
dennisr
the acceptable face
You answer mine big fella. You have been given every opportunity.
Retrospectively listing twenty years of sectarian distortions and 'demanding answers' does not absolve you of them
We can do a one hundred things that expose 'social chauvanists' as a seperate thread if you like (there would be about 2 people reading the thread after the first page of bile)
dennisr
the acceptable face
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Yeah ignore the national question and hope it goes away. Doesn't change the absurdity of a British socialist organisation supporting the British state against an anti imperialist resistance movement. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Now? The war is over. The republican resistance fought its way to John Majors negotiating table. no thanks to you.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Oh fuck off. You have no idea about my life and I am damned if i have to explain myself to you. So shove it.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Twenty years of political cowardice
dennisr
the acceptable face
So they could get those ministerial posts and start implementing neo-liberal cuts on behalf of those british state scum?
A lot of brave people lost their lives for that??
dennisr
the acceptable face
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