Paramilitary Style Group Protests In Luton

[durruti02]

can t be arsed to go back and check , but what was your defence of using the term 'islamo-scum' in the end you dull little weasel ?

hey weasels arnt dull!

btw i never used the word 'islamo-scum' .. but whatever ..

but anyway in what way are these not scum?

MC5 ask me "Perhaps you would enlighten me to the similarities with fascism?"

I replied "fascism is totalitarianism and permanant war .. so these scum fit the bill exactly"

they are fascists and fascists are scum from grifffin to bakri and all the rest .. no?

 

[durruti02]

thats alright then, for a minute there i though some mixed up little keyboard jockey was trying to show off his gleaming anti liberal credentials (zzzz ) with the kind of lazy. half arsed racist crap he wouldn't even DREAM about spouting down his local /anywhere offline .

lol

 

[durruti02]

Streathamite. Tell us more about your defence of the plucky Kuwaiti oil tycoons.

lol this from the fool who defends argentinian fascism and nutters to the far right of the kuwiati tycoons

 

[phildwyer]

I did NOT defend the Emirs' bunch byut his subjects.

The citizens of Kuwait are a tiny minority of the population. Be quiet on subjects about which you know nothing.

 

[phildwyer]

Streathamite. Tell us more about your defence of the plucky Kuwaiti oil tycoons.

Ah, I see you already called him on this. Not that it'll take long for him to put his foot down his throat again.

 

[dylans]

lol this from the fool who defends argentinian fascism and nutters to the far right of the kuwiati tycoons

You forgot Irish terrorists and Palestinian suicide bombers.

You make me sick. You condemn geniune freedom fighters and cry crocodile tears for the rich. Self determination for Kuwait my arse. The corrupt, oil rich tycoons that make up Kuwait's citizen class don't matter.

It was a war for oil and to maintain the west's compliant puppets in Kuwait. Kuwait is just one huge oil pump for the west. Most of the people who make up Kuwaits population, supported Iraqs invasion and hoped for the end of the apartheid of citizenship that exists there and the end of the Monarchy. Young Palestinian guys waved pictures of Saddam in the streets of Gaza. They saw it as anti imperialist if the "socialists" of militant didn't. You in effect ignore them yet you cry "self determination" for the oppressors.

Same thing for the Falkland Islanders. More people died in that fucking war than live there. It would have been cheaper to give them all 5 million quid each to choose whether to stay or not. It was for Thatcher's reelection and you supported it. Outrageous.

Are you Streathamites lap poodle?

Can't he stand up for himself? Does he really need to run to his mate to answer for him?
On second thoughts I guess he does. Maybe you could pm him an argument.

 

[phildwyer]

Can't he stand up for himself?

Not after 10pm.

 

[durruti02]

You forgot Irish terrorists and Palestinian suicide bombers.

You make me sick. You condemn geniune freedom fighters and cry crocodile tears for the rich. Self determination for Kuwait my arse. The corrupt, oil rich tycoons that make up Kuwait's citizen class don't matter.

It was a war for oil and to maintain the west's compliant puppets in Kuwait. Kuwait is just one huge oil pump for the west. Most of the people who make up Kuwaits population, supported Iraqs invasion and hoped for the end of the apartheid of citizenship that exists there and the end of the Monarchy. Young Palestinian guys waved pictures of Saddam in the streets of Gaza. They saw it as anti imperialist if the "socialists" of militant didn't. You in effect ignore them yet you cry "self determination" for the oppressors.

Same thing for the Falkland Islanders. More people died in that fucking war than live there. It would have been cheaper to give them all 5 million quid each to choose whether to stay or not. It was for Thatcher's reelection and you supported it. Outrageous.

Are you Streathamites lap poodle?

Can't he stand up for himself? Does he really need to run to his mate to answer for him?
On second thoughts I guess he does. Maybe you could pm him an argument.

lol you are flailing!?? where did i mention Kuwait?? fuck Kuwait, fuck the kuwait tycoons fuck the argentinian junta fuck saddam .. you idiots are obsesses with what goes on any fucking else place in the world but these streets here obsessed with stupid dogmatic 'anti imperialism' .. and then you wonder why those streets here are going to the fasc .. idiot .. accept you then just call people here scum

 

[dylans]

Not after 10pm.

Does he live with his mom?

 

[phildwyer]

Does he live with his mom?

I think he lives under a bridge.

 

[dylans]

l where did i mention Kuwait? you idiots are obsesses with what goes on any fucking else place in the world but these streets here

You didn't you twat. this argument isn't with you it's with your buddy streathamite. He mentioned Kuwait.

You chose to leap to his defence

The final comment really sums you up. Its called being an internationalist. The Luton demonstration was an anti war demonstration by Muslims who have pissed off some white British racists who managed to pull off a bit of a racist attack.

All true, but it was an anti war demo nevertheless and therefore anti-imperialist. That is why this is relevant. Because to Muslims questions like Iraq, Gaza, The oil rich gulf states, Iran etc are urgent questions. Questions that radicalise. They are anti imperialist.

 

[butchersapron]

Muslims :d

 

[ViolentPanda]

Muslims :d

Yes, Muslims.

Only Muslims.

Not just radical anti-imperialist Muslims either, but all Muslims.

No-one else, just Muslims.

 

[dylans]

Streathamite. The silence is deafening. Are you going to stop hiding behind your friends skirts and answer the fucking question?

 

[likesfish]

Saddam anti imperialist
murderous imperialist more like just 70 years to late
kicked out of your house by fascists here have some cash and stop blubbing.
So the junta get another ten years of murder and mayhem that's not our concern.
Not that we could do a lot what with most of the worlds oil supply in the hands of a psychopath

 

[dylans]

Saddam anti imperialist
murderous imperialist more like just 70 years to late
kicked out of your house by fascists here have some cash and stop blubbing.
So the junta get another ten years of murder and mayhem that's not our concern.
Not that we could do a lot what with most of the worlds oil supply in the hands of a psychopath

yes. Give it to George Bush instead. Or those well known democrats the Kuwaiti and Saudi Royal family.

 

[likesfish]

the Saudis and Kuwaiti's were and are cunts but not even in the same league
as Saddam.
no mass graves not starting wars with there neighbors no use of poison gas and no attempt to make rockets and super guns to attack israel with.

mostly spent cash on toys and enough to keep there masses mostly happy or at least not rebellious
Saddam spent it on guns and anyone complained they and there family got shot.

 

[likesfish]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090530/tuk-muslims-in-face-off-with-extremists-6323e80.html
from the daily hate appears the "brave anti imperialists" are not that welcome.
I wouldn't be fucking impressed if half a dozen nutters did a bit of national grandstanding and brought a load of shit down on my community.
200 assorted nutters marching for a punch up community center firebombed most of the rest of the country unimpressed
on a very tiny scale been there worked a a community center where a "so called activist" took it into his head to wage a hate campaign against news agents that stocked nexus. unfortunately using the organizations headed notepaper Que Monday morning one very irate very big newsagent looking for a fight. after the bloke left. when the "activist" turned up he was told to fuck too
The community may or may not be angry about something and if they choose to protest fair enough but a tiny minority doesn't have the right to dropp everybody else in the shit

 

[dylans]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090530/tuk-muslims-in-face-off-with-extremists-6323e80.html
from the daily hate appears the "brave anti imperialists" are not that welcome.
I wouldn't be fucking impressed if half a dozen nutters did a bit of national grandstanding and brought a load of shit down on my community.
200 assorted nutters marching for a punch up community center firebombed most of the rest of the country unimpressed
on a very tiny scale been there worked a a community center where a "so called activist" took it into his head to wage a hate campaign against news agents that stocked nexus. unfortunately using the organizations headed notepaper Que Monday morning one very irate very big newsagent looking for a fight. after the bloke left. when the "activist" turned up he was told to fuck too
The community may or may not be angry about something and if they choose to protest fair enough but a tiny minority doesn't have the right to dropp everybody else in the shit

And how exactly does protesting an illegal war and a patriotic homecoming parade drop their community in the shit. Except by pissing off racists and self styled "patriots"? If white people had protested this parade would there have been the same reaction? I don't think so.

The fact that you quote the Daily mail at me just needs no reply at all does it?

 

[dylans]

the Saudis and Kuwaiti's were and are cunts but not even in the same league
as Saddam.
no mass graves not starting wars with there neighbors no use of poison gas and no attempt to make rockets and super guns to attack israel with.

mostly spent cash on toys and enough to keep there masses mostly happy or at least not rebellious
Saddam spent it on guns and anyone complained they and there family got shot.

Ask the hundreds of thousands of bidoon who were expelled from Kuwait following the war about Kuwaits human rights record. Ask the families of the hundreds of Palestinians who were either lynched in the streets by death squads or died in Kuwaiti prisons. Ask the two thirds of Kuwait's population who are denied citizenship. The sight of British socialists apologising for the cunts who rule Kuwait is sickening. Self determination for the Emir's "subjects", my arse.

As for Israel. Well if you are outraged that someone should attack the war criminals that recently destroyed Gaza and lebanon, then I need to add no more do I? You may be outraged, Palestinians were dancing in the streets. I know where my sympathies are.

Yes. Iraq attacked Iran following the revolution. And it was financed by whom? Oh, your friends the Kuwaitis and the Saudi's

 

[likesfish]

Except by pissing off racists and self styled "patriots"

who fire bombed a community centre and made a threatening march

the activists are happy pissed off the kuffars showed the fools there is only one way to be happy join the jihad the racists are happy given them an excuse to hit a raghead .

The Muslim residents who couldn't be bothered to protest 20000 leaflets 12 protesters I think that presumes no community support for there actions.
if your going to be provocative don't be surprised if people are provoked.

 

[phildwyer]

The British just nicked Kuwait off Iraq because oil was discovered there in the 1930s. It's not a legitimate state at all, it's an imperialist imposition. Streatehmite shows only his abysmal ignorance in supporting it.

 

[dylans]

The British just nicked Kuwait off Iraq because oil was discovered there in the 1930s. It's not a legitimate state at all, it's an imperialist imposition. Streatehmite shows only his abysmal ignorance in supporting it.

He's been a bit quiet lately hasn't he. His silence is deafening.

 

[dylans]

Except by pissing off racists and self styled "patriots"

who fire bombed a community centre and made a threatening march

the activists are happy pissed off the kuffars showed the fools there is only one way to be happy join the jihad the racists are happy given them an excuse to hit a raghead .

The Muslim residents who couldn't be bothered to protest 20000 leaflets 12 protesters I think that presumes no community support for there actions.
if your going to be provocative don't be surprised if people are provoked.

Again, what is provocative about an anti war march protesting a patriotic homecoming parade of troops returning from Iraq?

Do you really believe that if the demonstrators had been white, there would have been this racist reaction? Of course not. It is racism, pure and simple.

This amounts to blaming the victims of racism for the actions of the racists. A bit like blaming the Jews for Kristalnacht. Bloody Muslims should just keep their heads down and not try not to "provoke" the racists. Sounds like a strategy for appeasement to me.

 

[phildwyer]

He's been a bit quiet lately hasn't he. His silence is deafening.

It's odd though, Streathamite's usual response to losing an argument is to explode with a series of spittle-flecked, obscenity-laden rants and death threats. I do hope he's alright.

 

[dylans]

It's odd though, Streathamite's usual response to losing an argument is to explode with a series of spittle-flecked, obscenity-laden rants and death threats. I do hope he's alright.

He could be in the library. You know, swatting up. More likely he's waiting for his mate Dennis to wake up and come and protect him.

 

[durruti02]

you really are a wanker of the first degree dylan .. while the country we live in is shifting significantly to the far right as shown both by the highest ever far right votes and marches like this in Luton, as as always you are obsessed by what happens abroad .. and the lies lies lies you wankers come out with .. not one single person has defended the fucking kuwaiti state .. not me not streathamite, not anyone .. yet you continue to spew forth you juvenile irrelevent dave spart accusations ..

and sorry but you are scum simply .. why?

you lie consistently

you distract and alienate people .. we see your sort at every picket every demo every event .. you do not seek to work with, to help, to give solidarity, or to create .. you seek only to dominate, to criticise, to take over and to humiliate those who disagree with you .. people say 'why do the left not work together' .. many do but it is near impossible to work with dogmatists and charlatans like you

you refuse to condemn fascists and relegious scum if they are opposed to your enemy .. and then wonder why ordinary people think you are a looney and prefer a one eyed oxbridge toff then the left

you thuink internationalism means saying stuff on internet forums or waving placards outside embassies .. pathetic .. internationalism means taking power where you live so you can help those where you do NOT live

and disgustingly you stereotype muslims .. you do not see people as people .. you see all people born into that faith as muslims and muslims alone .. with no other world view but one designated not by them but by you .. this is prejudice this is the the equivalent of racism ..

and you wonder why many see people like you as fascists in socialist clothing?

you are a very very sad man ..

 

[dylans]

you really are a wanker of the first degree dylan .. while the country we live in is shifting significantly to the far right as shown both by the highest ever far right votes and marches like this in Luton, as as always you are obsessed by what happens abroad .. and the lies lies lies you wankers come out with .. not one single person has defended the fucking kuwaiti state .. not me not streathamite, not anyone .. yet you continue to spew forth you juvenile irrelevent dave spart accusations ..

and sorry but you are scum simply .. why?

you lie consistently

you distract and alienate people .. we see your sort at every picket every demo every event .. you do not seek to work with, to help, to give solidarity, or to create .. you seek only to dominate, to criticise, to take over and to humiliate those who disagree with you .. people say 'why do the left not work together' .. many do but it is near impossible to work with dogmatists and charlatans like you

you refuse to condemn fascists and relegious scum if they are opposed to your enemy .. and then wonder why ordinary people think you are a looney and prefer a one eyed oxbridge toff then the left

you thuink internationalism means saying stuff on internet forums or waving placards outside embassies .. pathetic .. internationalism means taking power where you live so you can help those where you do NOT live

and disgustingly you stereotype muslims .. you do not see people as people .. you see all people born into that faith as muslims and muslims alone .. with no other world view but one designated not by them but by you .. this is prejudice this is the the equivalent of racism ..

and you wonder why many see people like you as fascists in socialist clothing?

you are a very very sad man ..

And you my friend, start off by trying to appease racism and end up blaming its victims.

 

[phildwyer]

not one single person has defended the fucking kuwaiti state .. not me not streathamite, not anyone ...

I'm sorry, but that is simply not true. Streathemite attempts a feeble defence of the Kuwaiti state here:

For the people of kuwait, you ignorant posturing cretin! EVERY indication is that they - to the last person - preferred being under the - relatively - benign emirate rule, than that of Kuwait.
And you have your facts almost TOTALLY wrong on the histories of Kuwait, Mesopotamia and The Ottoman state, there is a movement, supported by the majority of the people of present-day Kuwait, for their seperation that goes back to the 1700s.

The Ottomans put it under the administrative supervision of their 'man in Baghdad' (himself usually a turk) for their convenience, and the pressure foor independent Kuwait came from the Kuwaitis trhemselves. Saddam evidently agreed - he signed a treaty respecting Kuwaiti self-rule, in the 1990s.

As you see, he burbles on about "Kuwaitis," apparently under the impression that they form a distinct politico-ethnic grouping. He conclusively demonstrates his ignorance of history and, more importantly, his misunderstanding of imperialism. It would be absurd to expect such a person to have anything useful to say about the intricacies of neo-imperialism today.

And to his credit, Streathamite appears to have acknowledged his own obsolescence by retiring hurt from this debate.

 

[dylans]

And to his credit, Streathamite appears to have acknowledged his own obsolescence by retiring hurt from this debate.

Yes. It takes a big man to admit that he is utterly out of his depth. He has my respect for running away and hiding under dennisr's sofa