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Paramilitary Style Group Protests In Luton

Andy the Don said:
During the lead up and the invasion of Iraq in 2003, within the small charitable organisation I was working at, the only person who supported the invasion was a British Muslim whose family were from Iraq. He said something like, "it is easy for you all to go on about western imperialism and oil grab when you have not had to live in a dictatorship and seen what that dictatorship will do to its own people to survive." That made me think about my views on the matter..
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The thing is that as durruti says the idea that all muslims think alike is incredibly stupid.
There are loads of different views amongsst muslims you do wonde when you read dylans post if he has been capable of any real human contact with anyone let alone muslims.
The world and people are far more complex than he seems to think.
 
Andy the Don said:
During the lead up and the invasion of Iraq in 2003, within the small charitable organisation I was working at, the only person who supported the invasion was a British Muslim whose family were from Iraq. He said something like, "it is easy for you all to go on about western imperialism and oil grab when you have not had to live in a dictatorship and seen what that dictatorship will do to its own people to survive." That made me think about my views on the matter..
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yeah cos they're representative of all iraq and wider arab thoughts right...

utterly hatstand extrapolation...
 
butchersapron said:
No, your post just makes no sense, so i'm asking you what meant (leaving aside the potential ethnicity/culture problem for now).
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no sorry can't be bothered to explain it makes perfect sense except in your own head where nothing I've said can be good.

perhaps as i've suggested before your time could be better spent not being the acerbic little shit you usually are.
 
butchersapron said:
Ah well, i knew it was probably too much to ask. Waste of my time really.
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I'd say so you set out your stall some time ago and have never devated from it. after a while people decide to exclude people like you from their lives entirely. there's just no having a resonable discussion with you on any level. so why bother. I'd get over it if i were you i know i have.
 
tbaldwin said:
Did he say they were represenative of all iraq and wider arab thoughts?
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if one is changing grounded opinions based on acidotal evidence of an indivudal then yes by extention.... they are extrapoliating one occurence by on indiviual and applying it to an entire country...
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
if one is changing grounded opinions based on acidotal evidence of an indivudal then yes by extention.... they are extrapoliating one occurence by on indiviual and applying it to an entire country...
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Really? Seems to me he was questioning some of his views based on his experience of talking to the person. Nothing wrong with that as far as i can see.
 
tbaldwin said:
Really? Seems to me he was questioning some of his views based on his experience of talking to the person. Nothing wrong with that as far as i can see.
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Indeed. As I understood it, he was actually using that experience to re-think what had previously been his assumption about "all" Muslims and it made him realise that they did not all think the same ... it was anything but a suggestion that that all thought that!
 
BlackArab said:
Was thinking about this point yesterday and a couple of questions came up.

What are your thoughts on the active participation of the Iraqi Kurds in the 2003 invasion and the approval from other groups oppressed under Saddam such as the Marsh Arabs and the wider Shia diaspora of the end of his regime?
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The Kurds are not motıvated by relıgıon to the same extent as the Arabs. But even they are fıghtıng for themselveş not for the West.

BlackArab said:
Secondly do you really think that as non-Muslims that we can define and dismiss those who did support 'infidel' intervention as un-Islamic?
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Yes. At least we can note that theoretıcally and hıstorıcallyş one who supported ınfıdel ınvasıon of the Dar-al-Islam would be vırtue of that posıtıon cease to be regarded as Muslım.
 
phildwyer said:
The Kurds are not motıvated by relıgıon to the same extent as the Arabs. But even they are fıghtıng for themselveş not for the West.

Yes. At least we can note that theoretıcally and hıstorıcallyş one who supported ınfıdel ınvasıon of the Dar-al-Islam would be vırtue of that posıtıon cease to be regarded as Muslım.
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I have to disagree there on both aspects as I cannot see how possibly we can judge someones religious motivations when we don't follow that religion that is a strictly a question for muslims to decide.

I do agree that they were fighting for themselves, everyone was.
 
BlackArab said:
I have to disagree there on both aspects as I cannot see how possibly we can judge someones religious motivations when we don't follow that religion that is a strictly a question for muslims to decide.
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Well ın practıcal terms obvıously our vıew wıll make no dıfference but I do not see why we should not have one.
 
phildwyer said:
Well ın practıcal terms obvıously our vıew wıll make no dıfference but I do not see why we should not have one.
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Nowt wrong with having a view that's why were here. I just think it needs to be stated that this is your own opinion and not gospel.
 
Gotta love this debate. We started in Luton and have since visited Argentina, Kuwait, Iraq and the Falklands!

We've yet to come to any consensus but I'm sure that will come. :D
 
durruti02 said:
....a muslim area? cos you are talking shite! yet more laughable stereotyping of 'muslims' ..
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In any 'area' of the UK, I would expect to see living there people of every faith and those of none?

Where is this "muslim area" you talk about?
 
MC5 said:
In any 'area' of the UK, I would expect to see living there people of every faith and those of none?

Where is this "muslim area" you talk about?
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indeed .. fair point .. but the point stands though .. that dwyer and dylans sterotyping of 'muslims' ( whatever that means) is akin to racism or as garfield says, IS racism
 
MC5 said:
In any 'area' of the UK, I would expect to see living there people of every faith and those of none?
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You've obviously never been to Swaledale then! Even in nearby Richmond, the guys in the curry house drive home to Leeds each night.
 
Gavin Bl said:
The Times has the following article, it appears that a group of 200 people, described as 'moderate muslims', prevented an islamist stall being set up on the weekend.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article6392580.ece
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Had a bit of a snigger at the bit saying that the original protesters were followers of "the militant group led by Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammed". At least MI5 will be able to keep an eye on them, what with the "sheikh" being allegedly "spooked up". :)
 
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