Paramedics doubt Dr Kelly's 'suicide' cause
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Stobart Stopper
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One question Mr Editor, have you ever read up on the huge numbers of apparent 'suicides' of Marconi scientists? It's compelling stuff.
I know someone whose relative worked for Marconi, quite a few years back. He had no money problems, no personal problems, nothing...but was found hanging. There are too many like this, many of these employees were working on, or had worked on, very sensitive projects for the military/government.
http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id392/pg1/
I know someone whose relative worked for Marconi, quite a few years back. He had no money problems, no personal problems, nothing...but was found hanging. There are too many like this, many of these employees were working on, or had worked on, very sensitive projects for the military/government.
http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id392/pg1/
Idris was refering to the Marconi sciences of SS's post above his, not Dr Kelly, I assume.
Idris2002
Stay Alive in '25
Yes, I was referring to the Marconi scientists.
Mike's point about the massive pressure Kelly was under is a very cogent one, but then you get the problem, why didn't he choose a more effective method of suicide.
The pattern with male suicides in general is that they pick a method that is pretty certain of doing the job.
As I say, I don't know if it was suicide or not. Maybe there's something in pathology and medical science which would support the hypothesis that while the injury Kelly sustained and the amount of drugs in his system were not enough to kill him on their own, they were enough to kill if they were combined? (hope that's clear).
Elements of the British state are quite capable of killing those who get in its way - look at collusion with the loyalists in Northern Ireland. But the problem with the Kelly death is that it's difficult to see what advantage there was to the government in killing him.
It's simply the repetition of these claims that Kelly's injuries/amount of drugs ingested were unusually small for a suicide that makes me doubt it was suicide (which does not mean that I'm going to jump over to the opposite side and say it was a state murder). If not for that reason I'd say it was suicide.
Now let me tell you about my theory of the death of JFK - I don't think anyone has considered the possibility that the president may have been cleaning a gun in the car at the time. . .
Mike's point about the massive pressure Kelly was under is a very cogent one, but then you get the problem, why didn't he choose a more effective method of suicide.
The pattern with male suicides in general is that they pick a method that is pretty certain of doing the job.
As I say, I don't know if it was suicide or not. Maybe there's something in pathology and medical science which would support the hypothesis that while the injury Kelly sustained and the amount of drugs in his system were not enough to kill him on their own, they were enough to kill if they were combined? (hope that's clear).
Elements of the British state are quite capable of killing those who get in its way - look at collusion with the loyalists in Northern Ireland. But the problem with the Kelly death is that it's difficult to see what advantage there was to the government in killing him.
It's simply the repetition of these claims that Kelly's injuries/amount of drugs ingested were unusually small for a suicide that makes me doubt it was suicide (which does not mean that I'm going to jump over to the opposite side and say it was a state murder). If not for that reason I'd say it was suicide.
Now let me tell you about my theory of the death of JFK - I don't think anyone has considered the possibility that the president may have been cleaning a gun in the car at the time. . .
hegley said:
Kelly was known to hate swallowing tablets and could barely do so. It's now known that at death blood concentration of drugs can change tenfold so there is now absolutely no evidence that he swallowed 29 co-proxamol tablets at all.
Clearly, he didn't bleed to death and this sworn statement by these brave paramedics proves it.
It is an absolute disgrace that this distinguished scientist was not given a full coroner's inquest to determine the cause of death, which is certainly a mystery. One has to wonder why this is so.
editor said:
Well, Hugo Young wrote on July 19th 2003: "this is trifling stuff. In a normal world, where top people had not taken leave of their senses, it would certainly not push anyone over the brink of suicide, if that's what happened to David Kelly." Hugo Young was not someone whose opinions can be dismissed easily.
Micheal Shrimpton, a QC and a "national security lawyer" took the view that Kelly had been murdered.
Kelly was used to dealing with the media, and e-mails he sent hours before his death showed no sign that he was buckling under pressure, but in fact enjoying his job and looking forward to forthcoming trip to Iraq.
Idris2002 said:
The claim was made by professor of forensic toxicology at the university of sheffield - Robert Forrest - it was in the papers a while back, but I don't have a link - you could probably google for one though.
Edit: I see Dr Jazz has put up a link up though - that'll teach me not to check first.
ill-informed
passive aggressive master
that's a good question. At the time the media was telling us that the death was a bad thing for the govt, but in retrospect they seem to have come off unscathed. Whereas had he lived....... ? Was he about to say anything new and more damaging?Idris2002 said:
Idris2002
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maya
timewasting fool (in every universe)
that's true, i've experienced that first-hand...some years ago i lived in a shared flat, where the bloke in the room next to mine AND his best friend commited double suicide...editor said:
i came home late one night and saw the police breaking up the door... the day before (and the last 2-3 weeks before) he'd been nothing but cheery,smiling and friendly chatting away with us in the kitchen... we didn't suspect a thing,not even depression...
The guy was a man with indepth scientific knowledge. No doubt he had access to all manner of painless drugs that would do the job (possibly even knew which drugs couldn't be traced). But, then he wasn't of sound mind - it's pointless trying to apply rational thought.
If a government agent was employed to fake a suicide, surely they would have had the right training to leave everyone in absolutely no doubt?
It was very sad. The guy's job killed him indirectly. I wonder if he had any idea that his job was going to go this way when it was offered?
If a government agent was employed to fake a suicide, surely they would have had the right training to leave everyone in absolutely no doubt?
It was very sad. The guy's job killed him indirectly. I wonder if he had any idea that his job was going to go this way when it was offered?
maya said:that's true, i've experienced that first-hand...some years ago i lived in a shared flat, where the bloke in the room next to mine AND his best friend commited double suicide...
That must have been tough. A couple of my friends have attempted suicide, but they were the cry for help variety rather than serious attempts.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
The US-UK disinformation operation (ie Rumsfeld's Office of Special Plans in Washington and Campbell's people in London) certainly seemed to have had a strong tendency to mount media attacks on anyone who spoke out of turn, especially credible people, including various heads of state, Hans Blix, the UN etc. There was also the business where someone in the White House outed that CIA woman, as retaliation when her husband Ambassador Wilson told everybody their Nigerian uranium story was a load of old bollocks. Very vocal former US weapons inspector Scott Ritter suddenly went very quiet due to some suspicious looking stuff about an internet chatroom sex sting and another unconvinced US weapons inspector shut up fast when he was outed as a former member of an SM advocacy group.Idris2002 said:
We also saw some murkier stuff of unknown origin, but along the same lines. For example the dodgy documents used to smear George Galloway and the "abuse photographs" sting against Piers Morgan of the Daily Mirror both raise strong suspicions of govt. information operations against prominent 'enemies'
The principle of taking revenge on prominent and/or credible opposition certainly seems to have been consistently applied by these guys all down the line. If Dr Kelly was murdered, I'd guess that it happened when this policy was taken "too far" in the hands of some crazed underlings on the spooky fringes, no doubt to the horror of anyone senior who subsequently found out about it.
Actually going out and murdering an MoD scientist is a lot more extreme than smearing vocal opponents of the war, but when you reflect on the Watergate case, where we did find out a lot about what had been going on behind the scenes with a similar operations in the 70s, and when you think about the insanity of G. Gordon Liddy et al, you *can* see how that sort of thing might happen. Gung-ho clandestine psychopaths running wild, fantasising that they're working for Reynard Heidrich rather than a so-called democracy.
I don't think it's very likely, but I wouldn't dismiss it as being utterly impossible ... and unless some kind of monumental Liddy-style screw-up causes it to unravel on them, it's extremely likely we'll ever know for sure.
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