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Papers, please - covid passport bollocks

I assumed the 40% was for both jabs, because you haven't provided a source.

Up to 15th July, FIRST DOSE uptake in England, by age -

55-59 - 88.32%
55-54 - 85.75%
45-49 - 80.78%
40-44 - 74.67%
35-39 - 68.02%
30-34 - 62.37%
25-29 - 57.80%
18-24 - 57.39%

- The dashboard has the stats, see the heat map towards the bottom of this page, and hover over the age groups, to see percentage uptake.
 
To eat indoors here in Portugal, Friday night and all weekend you are required to show the digital vaccine app or a certificate of two vaccines or take a test in front of staff . No big uproar .
We don’t eat indoors so have not been challenged here. You don’t need to be indoors this time of year in Andalusia. I’m still waiting for my second. My wife, and some friends, have had theirs even though they got the first (Pfizer) after me (Astra Zeneca)

Pharmacies are doing over the counter tests which seems a bit rash given how few will do them properly. What’s the situation like in Portugal?
 
We don’t eat indoors so have not been challenged here. You don’t need to be indoors this time of year in Andalusia. I’m still waiting for my second. My wife, and some friends, have had theirs even though they got the first (Pfizer) after me (Astra Zeneca)

Pharmacies are doing over the counter tests which seems a bit rash given how few will do them properly. What’s the situation like in Portugal?

There's a couple of places that I like to eat in that don't have any terraces but as these measures have only been introduced a fortnight ago or so it hasn't really affected me. I had my second vaccine last week on Thursday and downloaded the digital vaccine thing on Monday. .The supermarkets sell the lateral flow tests and the pharmacies and clinics do the PCR tests., the latter are way cheaper than the UK.

Cases here are high ( Delta variant is around 80-90% of cases) but deaths low, hospitals are coping and the same restrictions regarding masks in shops, transport, using toilets etc in cafes still apply with a high compliance rate. The Lisbon and Vale do Tejo region numbers seem to be stabilising ( this traditionally has accounted for about 35-40% of the countries numbers) so there is some hope that the trajectory can be reversed. Half the counties are in the category second from highest but we are not at the point of further confinement The formula seems to be pretty much, vaccine, vaccine, keep some restrictions re masks, opening hours and night clubs and worry more about the ICU numbers than number of cases. Portugal is open for tourism and Ive been told by two or three people that the hotels they work at are fully booked for August. I only go to Albufeira for a bit of shopping now and again and since covid have never ate or drunk there at night. As I have a pool I avoid the beaches in July and August so I'm tourist free . I go to friend's houses for barbecues and they come to mine. The government review is on Tuesday next week so we will find out if anything changes.
 
There's a couple of places that I like to eat in that don't have any terraces but as these measures have only been introduced a fortnight ago or so it hasn't really affected me. I had my second vaccine last week on Thursday and downloaded the digital vaccine thing on Monday. .The supermarkets sell the lateral flow tests and the pharmacies and clinics do the PCR tests., the latter are way cheaper than the UK.

Cases here are high ( Delta variant is around 80-90% of cases) but deaths low, hospitals are coping and the same restrictions regarding masks in shops, transport, using toilets etc in cafes still apply with a high compliance rate. The Lisbon and Vale do Tejo region numbers seem to be stabilising ( this traditionally has accounted for about 35-40% of the countries numbers) so there is some hope that the trajectory can be reversed. Half the counties are in the category second from highest but we are not at the point of further confinement The formula seems to be pretty much, vaccine, vaccine, keep some restrictions re masks, opening hours and night clubs and worry more about the ICU numbers than number of cases. Portugal is open for tourism and Ive been told by two or three people that the hotels they work at are fully booked for August. I only go to Albufeira for a bit of shopping now and again and since covid have never ate or drunk there at night. As I have a pool I avoid the beaches in July and August so I'm tourist free . I go to friend's houses for barbecues and they come to mine. The government review is on Tuesday next week so we will find out if anything changes.
Very similar to here. I’m a bit bothered about moving north where we are unfamiliar with the situation. I’ll just be cautious for a while.
 
Up to 15th July, FIRST DOSE uptake in England, by age -

55-59 - 88.32%
55-54 - 85.75%
45-49 - 80.78%
40-44 - 74.67%
35-39 - 68.02%
30-34 - 62.37%
25-29 - 57.80%
18-24 - 57.39%

- The dashboard has the stats, see the heat map towards the bottom of this page, and hover over the age groups, to see percentage uptake.
Those are disappointing stats, although some of those will have been delayed by a positive test. Wales is better at 70 %. Given delta wave numbers in the under 30s, though, a significant chunk will be acquiring antibodies the hard way atm.
 
Riklet "privacy issues. But in general I think it makes sense. No one has a "right" to go to a restaurant, cafe, cinema, gym, on a foreign holiday etc"
You are a fucking good troll

You've been a disruptive troll on several covid threads now so im not going to bother engaging with you beyond this. :thumbs:

As those stats show, the average uptake for 1st vacc as of 15th July is actually under 60% for 18-29 and 18-34 year olds. I still think that's v poor.
 
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I have the corona pass app from the state. You must present it for indoor dining.
I think for bars too.
Nightclubs are not a thing anymore it seems or at least decent raves.
You probably need to present it for art galleries and museums and stuff.
Theme parks too.
I am currently sat in an outdoor restaurant.
They have not asked for it. I took a screenshot for the purpose of this post and it locked it. I hope they don’t ask me for it now but I don’t think it’s needed for outdoor dining. I obscured the QR code. Which can be scanned by (for example) doorstag
It’s not intrusive it either shows you are tested negative or vaccinated.
It doesn’t track you.
Bare in mind that actual passports have biometric data in them and have done for some years -you can disable this by microwaving your passport for a few seconds apparently- I haven’t tried , I get enough grief at borders.
 

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Just tried going back and reading some of the earlier pages of this thread in case there was some really important debate about vaccine passports that I'd missed and should be aware of. That was a mistake. [picture of a sealion]
 
Just tried going back and reading some of the earlier pages of this thread in case there was some really important debate about vaccine passports that I'd missed and should be aware of. That was a mistake. [picture of a sealion]
I haven't, but are they going to be blue?
 
I've just been saying on another thread that I still dont really know where I stand on this stuff yet. But its now looming large so I will post when I see it coming up in the news and will try to work out what I really think soon. It may come down to what options are presented, eg if its a choice between these certificate programmes and having to close certain activities again, I'm more likely to think its worth a go.

Anyway, in the news today:


Manchester United will introduce Covid-19 spot-checks on matchdays at Old Trafford, starting with Saturday's game against Newcastle.

It is not yet a mandatory requirement to enter Old Trafford.

However, the club say they expect proof of full vaccination to become mandatory in the Premier League from 1 October.
 
At the NEC today. You have to show your double jab record or a negative test result. Then you get a wristband thingy for the whole centre.
 
Does anyone know if there's a house of commons vote coming up on this specific issue?
There was talk of the risk of Tory rebels and labour sinking the idea and the PM would rather call our bluff than risk that embarrassment.
Maybe it could be enacted without a vote under emergency laws currently in effect which I believe come up for renewal soon?
 
Does anyone know if there's a house of commons vote coming up on this specific issue?
There was talk of the risk of Tory rebels and labour sinking the idea and the PM would rather call our bluff than risk that embarrassment.
Maybe it could be enacted without a vote under emergency laws currently in effect which I believe come up for renewal soon?
You could follow the debate in Scotland as something of a preview.

 
Covid passports came in in Ireland weeks ago...
We all got letters with a qr code which is then scanned into the covid app on the phone.
Or the letter can be folded up to fit in a wallet with the qr code showing. Even says how to fold it.

Over here we will need a covid passport for all indoor stuff bar shopping and education.
And outdoor stuff like matches and music festivals etc etc.

This will be the case until the % vaccinated is at its highest. ... and will obvs persist if new variants become dominant and booster vaccines are needed in the months to come.

My main concern is with variants ... ones that might evade the current vaccines.
Not too bothered by a qr code on my phone.
 
The idea of this doesn't bother me at all. I'll be happier in a pub/restaurant/other indoor space if I know the other people in there are jabbed/exempt.

The implementation of it does. I watched that vaccine minister being questioned on it yesterday and he had no timescales- 'in due course' really doesn't cut it- and didn't sound like he had a decent plan for it. It reeked of another Tory screw up.
 
Had to print one out because I'm going to an event in England, turned my stomach to do it.

It's not going to help, most of the population already has a vaccine because they know it's a good idea. There's going to be thousands with covid after the event anyway, passports or not . It's happened at other festivals.

Somehow everyone seems to think they'll be all cosy and safe, when in fact all they're doing is setting a precedent for Boris to be able to mandate what they put in their body and how they live their lives.

The principle is so fucking wrong, it's the absolute wrong way to tackle covid, by giving up so much. Shame on us for letting it happen.
 
It is clear that x2 vaxxed people get covid and spread it. The rationale is not there anymore for passports if it ever was. What is the point?
 
It is clear that x2 vaxxed people get covid and spread it. The rationale is not there anymore for passports if it ever was. What is the point?
I think the point is mostly to pressure people into getting the jab tbh.
Not because it stops the spread but because you're a lot more likely to take up a bed in the emergency rooms if you're unvaccinated.
 
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I used to be unsure about this, but am now pretty worried by the low uptake among young people, and I think we should first offer some more positive inducements (meal vouchers and so on), and then if that doesn't work go for the vaccine passport approach. It doesn't have to be forever, it just needs to be for a long enough amount of time to nudge more people over the line to get vaccinated.
 
It is clear that x2 vaxxed people get covid and spread it. The rationale is not there anymore for passports if it ever was. What is the point?
Are you for real? It's like the older people in hospital in the US I've heard of who complain their vaccine didn't work (once they are back breathing okay again). They'd be fucking dead without it. The vaccine reduces harm from covid and it reduces spread. The fact that it doesn't prevent all harm (which we always knew btw) and doesn't prevent all spread, does not mean we should give up trying to get people vaccinated. It is saving a lot of lives and will save more lives (and prevent more disability) the more people are vaccinated.
 
Are you for real? It's like the older people in hospital in the US I've heard of who complain their vaccine didn't work (once they are back breathing okay again). They'd be fucking dead without it. The vaccine reduces harm from covid and it reduces spread. The fact that it doesn't prevent all harm (which we always knew btw) and doesn't prevent all spread, does not mean we should give up trying to get people vaccinated. It is saving a lot of lives and will save more lives (and prevent more disability) the more people are vaccinated.

This^ it’s like when you speak to someone twat who’s been in a RTC and they complain their chest hurts from the seatbelt and they’ve got a sore neck so the safety features didn’t work.

You’d be fucking dead without them you loon.
 
I've no problems at all with requiring people to be vaccinated before entrance to night clubs or pubs or whatever. I would be interested to know what proportion of people (especially amongst the young) are refusing to have a vaccination are doing so not because they believe there are ill effects but because they just don't like being told what to do. If so then being denied things as a consequence of that decision will hopefully prod them into doing it.
I would prefer persuasion over coercion but no problems with coercion if that is what it takes.
I'm fine with it tbh.
Spoke to my hippie anti vaxx next door neighbours yesterday who were moaning about how they were unable to visit their holiday house in France this summer just because they refused the evil vaccine and i have no problem with that at all. :)
Fuck 'em they've made their choice they should stop moaning about having to live with the consequences of that choice, I suspect that the requirement to be vaccinated before foreign travel is going to be a permanent thing for many years to come.
 
I think the point is mostly to pressure people into getting the jab tbh.
Not because it stops the spread but because you're a lot more likely to take up a bed in the emergency rooms if you're unvaccinated.
Then what is the point of the passport?
 
What we can be sure of is that if the government do bring this in they will just leave it to others to enforce and deal with the fall out. As with masks, schools and everything else quite frankly.
 
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