SpookyFrank
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None, because farmers do not slaughter their own livestock. Hence my assertion that 'the entire animal must be removed from the system and its soil'.
Opinion: "The End of Meat Is Here" - NY Times
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None, because farmers do not slaughter their own livestock. Hence my assertion that 'the entire animal must be removed from the system and its soil'.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
Weird, here it is mentioned at the bottom of this GCSE study guide:
- During the night, no photosynthesis takes place. This is because there is no sunlight. Only respiration occurs so at night, they take up oxygen and release carbon dioxide.
Photosynthesis: An Introduction - (GCSE Biology) - Study Mind
SpookyFrank
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And what part of that is supposed to be 'photosynthetic inversion' exactly? You're describing respiration, which as noted above is not the opposite of photosynthesis.
Green plants are net contributors of oxygen. Which is why oxygen, and as always stop me if I'm going too fast for you, still exists.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
In spite of my having literally shown you how it is returned. OK.
Shouldn't matter to you anyway because plants evolved millions of years before animals anyway so they don't need fertilising. Or something.
SpookyFrank
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OK genius, who was artificially fertilising all the plants before humans showed up?
Because if the answer is 'nobody', your idea that plants invariably require artificial fertilisation might start to look a bit like obviously complete fucking bullshit.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
It's an inversion of photosyntyetic products, ie none as opposed to O2.
This means at night time, if there were other organisms, say, fish that were competing for that oxygen in a closed water body, say, a pond or a lake and it was well vegetated, they can die.
Happens not infrequently
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Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
I think this is getting dangerously close to "mocking the aflicted" now.
Believe what you like.
Believe what you like.
Carcass Disposal Option: Composting - Hobby Farms
Composting livestock carcasses is a way to dispose of livestock while reducing contamination and saving you money.
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Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
Dinosaurs?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You've clearly never heard of bees
SpookyFrank
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All this stuff about 'pastoral tradition' and natural nutrient cycles has zero bearing on how industrialised animal agriculture actually works anyway, and to suggest otherwise is fantasy. Just like saying that farmers don't pollute water courses because they're not allowed to is fantasy.
SpookyFrank
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Different kind of fertilisation.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Fertilisation nonetheless
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
Compulsory for fallen stock to be removed/incinerated in the UK.Carcass Disposal Option: Composting - Hobby Farms
Composting livestock carcasses is a way to dispose of livestock while reducing contamination and saving you money.www.hobbyfarms.com
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Do I have to point out this thread is in world p&p not UK?
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
Am I supposed to be thinking that humans somehow invented herbivore shit now?
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Staggering
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
Used to be buried/incinerated on farm, often are where such regs don't exist.
How much is buried/burned on unregulated systems is possibly dependent on numbers of dogs in the immediate locality.
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WouldBe
Dislicksick
All the animals roaming around shitting all over the place.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Bullshit
so you accept that this statement is unambiguously wrong?
WouldBe
Dislicksick
And yet round here you can put meat and bones in the green bin for composting.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
My household ones go in my compost (after I've run them through a chipper)And yet round here you can put meat and bones in the green bin for composting.
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hiraethified
You can't where I live and there has never been an option to do so.And yet round here you can put meat and bones in the green bin for composting.
SpookyFrank
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Hope you like rats.
SpookyFrank
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Do you know what 'artificial' means?
SpookyFrank
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Anyways, let's break this down a bit:
- Sustainable agriculture that does not degrade soils requires more land per kilo of product than intensive monoculture farming.
- There is limited fertile land available.
- Growing crops to feed animals and then eating the animals invariably requires more land per kilo of product than simply growing and eating crops. Also more water, fertiliser, transportation and everything else with an environmental cost.
- Humane and sustainable rearing of animals also uses more land and resources than intensive farming.
Add all these things up and the only conclusion is that we have to drastically reduce meat consumption in order to protect the environment. If you care about animal welfare, that reduction must be even greater.
Everything else everyone here is on about is either whataboutery or a complete non-sequitur.
- Sustainable agriculture that does not degrade soils requires more land per kilo of product than intensive monoculture farming.
- There is limited fertile land available.
- Growing crops to feed animals and then eating the animals invariably requires more land per kilo of product than simply growing and eating crops. Also more water, fertiliser, transportation and everything else with an environmental cost.
- Humane and sustainable rearing of animals also uses more land and resources than intensive farming.
Add all these things up and the only conclusion is that we have to drastically reduce meat consumption in order to protect the environment. If you care about animal welfare, that reduction must be even greater.
Everything else everyone here is on about is either whataboutery or a complete non-sequitur.
Funky_monks
Neo-Rustic
Composter is sealed in Bokashi bin style, don't get rats. Bones are dried.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
editor do you see how the claims you've made about the 73% are two different claims?
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Wether you have the facility or not the fact that some councils do compost meat and bones proves spookyfrank wrong.
Environmentally I'm still going with shit farms. You keep as many animals, fed on scraps and parts of plants inedible to humans, as needed to manage the soil. These should be kept as much as possible in areas where useful plants can not be grown or where it is expensive or unsustainable to do so. If some of those end up as food preferably consumed locally then the environmental impact will be minimised. Any meat produced can be distributed primarily according to need for example to anyone with health issues where it may be beneficial or to obligate carnivores kept by humans etc. This would all look very different depending on local climate, ecology and geography but the general principle would be a limited amount of meat and other animal products produced as a side effect of looking after the environment and providing food security.
