Official: Prince Philip is Dead, 9th April 2021
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Johnny Doe
Well-Known Member
Yup, years after we put men on the moon.
You’re probably on the wrong thread/just looking to be offended.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Sorry to hear that. Of course strokes aren't a laughing matter, and I'm sure nobody meant that. The royals aren't popular round these parts.
But I reckon you knew that.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Hang on... are we anti royalist now? But... but the royals have family... someone think of the children 
Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
You don't have to have been wronged personally by someone to be glad of their passing. That's a fatuous line of argument. Almost wilfully naive
rubbershoes
not the only raver in the village
So is he gone yet?
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
Hang on... are we anti royalist now? But... but the royals have family... someone think of the children
thats why the royal family keep andrew away from them
Hasnt the monarchy done enough to the world to warrant being disliked?
I mean....face it...the British Empire fucked over a quarter of the world...485,000,000 people.
Have a good look. And tell me how personal they were to the people living in those countries?
Then have a read..
The five worst atrocities carried out by the British Empire will make you wonder why we're apparently proud of it
A YouGov poll found 43 per cent of Brits thought the British Empire was a good thing, while 44 per cent were proud of Britain's history of colonialism
www.independent.co.uk
5 of the worst atrocities carried out by the British Empire
Boer Concentration Camps.
Amritsar massacre
Amritsar massacre: 'open rebellion' in Punjab - archive, 17 April 1919
17 April 1919: Causes of the unrest said to be opposition to acts allowing political cases to be tried without juries, as well as hardships entailed after the first world war
Partitioning of India
The Mutual Genocide of Indian Partition
It displaced fifteen million people and killed more than a million. How did it happen?
Mau Mau Uprising
Uncovering the brutal truth about the British empire | Marc Parry
The Long Read: The Harvard historian Caroline Elkins stirred controversy with her work on the crushing of the Mau Mau uprising. But it laid the ground for a legal case that has transformed our view of Britain’s past
Famines in India
The Bengal Famine: How the British engineered the worst genocide in human history for profit
It was worse than the Jews Hitler decimated during WW2. And it went on for centuries. This Independence Day a look back on the Bengal Famine, the worst crime committed by the British during their stint as our rulers.
yourstory.com
And that's without including what happened in Ireland during the famine and the entirety of British rule there.
RedRedRose
Well-Known Member
Other factors, aside from the British Empire, may have had an hand in this debacle.
I'll be honest I don't care if he lives or dies. When he dies it won't really matter one way or another to me. The monarchy is a deeply unpleasant institution and there is nothing in his history to suggest he nothing other than a vile cunt. When he dies he dies.
I'm just in it for the extra bank holidays so come on queenie just keep it going till the end of June and then we can all have a proper party. Unfortunately she looks in rude health and her mum lasted forever despite her fish bone related hospital rush addiction. I reckon the queen has another decade in her yet.
I'm just in it for the extra bank holidays so come on queenie just keep it going till the end of June and then we can all have a proper party. Unfortunately she looks in rude health and her mum lasted forever despite her fish bone related hospital rush addiction. I reckon the queen has another decade in her yet.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh blood from ten year olds keeps her going
petee
no gods, no malarkey
What?
Eta .. let's be honest here. The mass migration or people was a direct result of partition.
Just as in Ireland on a smaller scale...people moved out of the 6 counties after partition.
Partition triggered unbelievable problems in India and horrific brutal fighting.
Partition caused the civil war in Ireland. And led to horrible consequences that are ongoing.
When people look at The British Empire in schools in the UK...they don't focus on the horrors and war crimes and massacres do they?
They focus on how large it was and how grand it all was.
That's denial isnt it?
And the British Monarchy is pretty much responsible from the outset. Plus the British government etc.
Not the ordinary people..but they're still sat with wool over their eyes for the most part. I mean how could any thinking person support the British Monarchy if they know what they are responsible for?
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
If you want to defend him you could spell his name right, it's the least you could do
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
He deserves to die because he's a royal cunt, and should have died ~100 years ago. I hope every one of the leeching cunts dies of some new variation of the coronaviris, that results in them shitting themselves so violently that they turn themselves inside out.
HTH
I was thinking about the lot of the royals .. they had and have the chance to rectify so much wrong doing.
They just don't care enough to do so in a meaningful way.
They set up foundations and talk shop but it took til 1997 for anyone to "apologise" for the Irish Famine ffs. And it wasn't even a proper apology. Tony Blair just said the British government failed the Irish in their hour of need.
It took til 2011 for the Queen to say anything and even then you'd swear we were all equal partners in history.
"It is a sad and regrettable reality that through history our islands have experienced more than their fair share of heartache, turbulence and loss ... with the benefit of historical hindsight we can all see things which we wish had been done differently, or not at all."
Well....some more than others...
I mean she talks about historical hindsight? They were doing this shit ad nauseum repeatedly. That's called genocide. Not "oh dear if only we had known that x would cause y" every single time.
They just don't care enough to do so in a meaningful way.
They set up foundations and talk shop but it took til 1997 for anyone to "apologise" for the Irish Famine ffs. And it wasn't even a proper apology. Tony Blair just said the British government failed the Irish in their hour of need.
It took til 2011 for the Queen to say anything and even then you'd swear we were all equal partners in history.
"It is a sad and regrettable reality that through history our islands have experienced more than their fair share of heartache, turbulence and loss ... with the benefit of historical hindsight we can all see things which we wish had been done differently, or not at all."
Well....some more than others...
I mean she talks about historical hindsight? They were doing this shit ad nauseum repeatedly. That's called genocide. Not "oh dear if only we had known that x would cause y" every single time.
RedRedRose
Well-Known Member
Nationalism and religious sectarianism can't all be laid at the door of British imperialism. The people involved in these movements have their own agency. Religious conflicts on the Indian subcontinent, while exacerbated by the British Raj, also pre-date it with the entry of Islam from the 12th century. Look up Aurangzeb of the Mughal empire who was a religious bigot and defaced Hindu temples—in an overwhelming Hindu continent. Also, early Indian nationalism chose Hindu iconography in the 18th-19th century, at the exclusion of multi-faith approach to ending the Raj.
Milllions of those people had lived side by side in relative peace you know. Neighbours.
Just as in Ireland.
The partition fuelled division in every facet of society creating the horrendous demarcation of differences instead of uniting people.
It's a horrible legacy of the British Empire and colonialism.
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ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Not sure how true that is. When I was at school (admittedly, many many years ago) we were told about the horrors of the British Empire, and nothing at all about how grand it was.
I've heard many people who were reared in the UK refer to the lack of education regarding what happened in Ireland under the British Gov.
I'd be interested to know if maybe the individual teacher was teaching a broader history of the empire? Or was it written up in the actual curriculum? I would hope all students would learn about it.
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Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
BB1 took GCSE history last year (didn't sit the exams of course), the British empire wasn't covered at all and neither was Ireland, was mostly WW2.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
It might depend on the teacher - I had two history teachers for GCSE/A-level - one once told us that Enoch Powel was right, the other taught us all about union history and tried to get us to read EP Thompson
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh, the luck of the draw. A matter of attitude and politics. And of course Irish history not taught in England at schools
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Maybe. I took CSE (remember them?) history. CSE's were for people who were considered too dim to take O Levels. We covered a lot of social history, rather than kings and queens and war stuff.
I was at high school from 1994-99 and we covered the ancient Britons and Romans, 1066, the Tudors and the War of the Roses, the anti-Catholic/Papal sentiment way back when in England- which was put across as justified. And ofcourse the First World War, the poetry of which we studied in English Literature, and I can remember my English Teacher (Mr Kirby) trying to justify that war, despite the poetry revealing the realities. And ofcourse we covered the Second World War, which was done in a very basic way and there was to be no criticism of Churchill.
Nothing on Ireland or the British Empire that I remember, apart from us once being made to read the Charge of the Light Brigade. And again, that was spun in a certain pro-war, patriotic way. I think I would have been interested in Ireland aswell, and I do have an interest in Irish history today. But, at my school, it would have been spun in a certain way, that's for sure.
On the plus side, we did get to read Steinbeck and Dickens and, as I say, the War Poets, and I think those had an effect on me. I also quite enjoyed Shakepeare if I'm honest. Personally, I think it might have been good if we read some Orwell, but we never did.
I went to a C of E school and unfortunately we regularly had to listen to sermons by the clergy in assembly and sing hymns - which I hated.
Nothing on Ireland or the British Empire that I remember, apart from us once being made to read the Charge of the Light Brigade. And again, that was spun in a certain pro-war, patriotic way. I think I would have been interested in Ireland aswell, and I do have an interest in Irish history today. But, at my school, it would have been spun in a certain way, that's for sure.
On the plus side, we did get to read Steinbeck and Dickens and, as I say, the War Poets, and I think those had an effect on me. I also quite enjoyed Shakepeare if I'm honest. Personally, I think it might have been good if we read some Orwell, but we never did.
I went to a C of E school and unfortunately we regularly had to listen to sermons by the clergy in assembly and sing hymns - which I hated.
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miktheword
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up to eight years ago when I was often tasked with delivering some KS3 & KS4 History, Ireland wasn't on the agenda except for a couple of paragraphs in a widely used year 8 Schools History Project textbook citing Cromwell and Drogheda. Ireland was a non statutory example of what could be used under the 'Elizabethan religious settlement and conflict with Catholics (including Scotland, Spain and Ireland)' and 'the Interregnum (including Cromwell in Ireland)'
I think India got a couple of pages, maybe Year 9 under Empire expansion and trade.
With the direction of political travel, I doubt there's been any improvement since.
I think India got a couple of pages, maybe Year 9 under Empire expansion and trade.
With the direction of political travel, I doubt there's been any improvement since.
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