Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Antidisestablishmentarianism is easier done than said.
Official: Prince Philip is Dead, 9th April 2021
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Do you think it immediately changed his personality/morality/gung ho attitude to war/ socks when he converted?
Does anyone think the royals will still be hanging around in 2051? I just cant see the monarchy lasting...
Raheem
Well-Known Member
I knew he had met Noel Gallagher, but I didn't know about the Blurgh concert.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
He changed denominations with unseemly haste when he left office.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
no one else would have him
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Sort of. Henry established the church of england and made himself the head, so that he could ignore the catholic church not allowing him to have his marriage to Catherine of Aragon annulled.
But there have been catholic kings and queens since him.
It was in 1701 that Catholics became disbarred from the monarchy.
Argonia
Happy go licky
A lot depends on Chuckie. Liz(ard) is popular for some bizarre reason but popularity might collapse with the succession.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
I reckon there'll be a massive amount of debate about the whole question of monarchy when Liz carks it. Chuckie is definitely not popular.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Personally I think George will probably be the last so sometime around 2100, Chucky is 72, so he will probably see us till about 2040 by which time Billy the Bald will be 60ish so give him till 2065-2070 so George will be well into his 60's by the time he gets the golden seat.
The Queen is HoS of 16 countries (though I believe Barbados is about to become a republic) but only 4 of them really count, the UK, NZ, Canada and Australia. By the time George gets his bum on the throne, I suspect all of them and possibly even an independent Scotland as well will be republics.
There is absolutely zero possibility of them ever being overthrown ala Class War style but every time one gets swapped out, I think the "Isn't about time we called it a day" argument will gain strength. I do think either the UK or Japan will be the last country with a monarchy
though unlike the UK, the Japs have a serious breeding crisis with their Royals. I'm pretty sure ours will outlast all the Middle Eastern ones since they all have a "Live By The Sword, Die By The Sword" vibe about them.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
I think Brenda is trying to go on as long as possible to make Chuck's reign as short as possible, William seems a bit more popular and if he keeps playing the dead-Di card that might see him through.
Thailand will outlast the UK and Japan imo, the current king is deeply unpopular and there have been protests, but speaking ill of the tosser is a dangerous activity over there so the protests go nowhere near calling for a republic.
I just can't see younger royals wanting it.
And by the time George is at the stage of taking on the mantle, life may well be quite different.
I'm surprised they lasted so long. I guess having the old aristocratic families propping them up along with themselves...worked.
And by the time George is at the stage of taking on the mantle, life may well be quite different.
I'm surprised they lasted so long. I guess having the old aristocratic families propping them up along with themselves...worked.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
Given that it's 2021 and we still have hereditary peers and bishops in the House of Lords, I don't see change happening in a hurry, unless they collectively do something truly appalling. Apart from anything else its probably not worth the bother of trying to find an alternative that everyone feels happy with. The British monarch is still head of state in Australia, not because they love her, but because, in 1999 when they had a referendum, they couldn't agree either the powers of or the means of selection for a president.
Still, we can hope.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
souljacker
innit
Still widely popular in the UK. I hardly know anyone (not including urbanites) who support my belief that we should chop off all their heads and turn buck house into a homeless shelter asap.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It is. I don't understand the popularity, but there it is. And the queen in particular is popular personally, again for reasons I don't quite fathom. But the popularity of the monarchy can change quickly, as it did for a little time in the 1930s. Not while Brenda's around, but after that, who knows?
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
I was teaching a class sometime pre-lockdown with three Thais in it one who said how much everyone loved their dear king; the second that he wanted to guillotine them all just like the French did in 1792; and the third that she didn't want to comment.
If one doesn't want it, they'll make an excuse and we'll get the next in line, but as it's quite a cushy arrangement I can't see that happening.
We managed to depose, try and decapitate Charles I in 1649, so nothing is impossible.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Never understood why we would need to replace a head of state
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
True, but Charles I was succeeded by Oliver Cromwell and his bunch of joyless, religious zealots, who were even more unpopular than the monarchy. If we get rid of this lot we need to replace them with something much more fun.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
We don’t need to replace them at all
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Fine to advocate the end to the nation-state as we know it, but short of that, there needs to be a mechanism by which a government is legitimised. I don't know of any state that does this other than by having a head of state, whether a monarch of some kind or a president. Said president does not necessarily govern - many don't.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Presidents are not necessary either
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
So how is the government legitimised? What is the mechanism?
I propose a confederation of self governing communities, perhaps a system of popular assemblies and workers' councils. So no politicians or parties either. Direct democratic control by the people themselves. A true democracy.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
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