Next England manager

[Puddy_Tat]

dunno really.

managing a national team isn't the same as managing at a club - manager doesn't have to deal with the transfers thing (although that's increasingly at least shared with director of football or some bollocks like that)

getting it all to work with players who don't play together regularly must be difficult. and england have given the impression it hasn't worked recently.

i'm not convinced by the 'big name ex player going straight in to high level manager role' thing. sometimes it works, and there's the element that they have been there and done it, but that doesn't always make a good manager in any line of work.

some club managers are good at building and developing a squad out of players who have got something to prove, the academy graduates, young unknowns, players who've been released somewhere else and so on. other managers can deal with superstars (or players who think they are superstars) - when alan curbishley was seriously being talked about as next england manager, i wasn't convinced he'd be good at dealing with the big stars.

 

[GarveyLives]

Recent reports appear to indicate that this young man thinks that he already is the manager.​

 

[littlebabyjesus]

No chance. Womens football is practically a different game altogether.

If you listen to Emma Hayes talk about the men's game, she makes far more sense than the majority of male pundits. And lots of top coaches weren't top players or even professional players - Mourinho, Wenger, Thomas Frank, etc.

If she ever wanted it or was allowed the chance, Hayes would make an excellent manager of a top men's team.

 

[The39thStep]

If you listen to Emma Hayes talk about the men's game, she makes far more sense than the majority of men's pundits. And lots of top coaches weren't top players or even professional players - Mourinho, Wenger, Thomas Frank, etc.

If she ever wanted it or was allowed the chance, Hayes would make an excellent manager of a top men's team.

She's great , been magnificent at Chelsea and I hope she does well with the US Women's team.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

She's great , been magnificent at Chelsea and I hope she does well with the US Women's team.

A few years ago, I heard her for the first time as the summariser for a game. It may have been the World Cup? Not sure. But it was a men's game. Anyway, I learned more about the tactics of football from listening to Hayes commentating on that one game than I've learned from anyone else ever.

 

[mod]

Klopp was 25/1 when the Southgate announcement was made.

Wish i’d put £10 on then but within 30 mins he’s odds had reduced to 10/1 which i did take. only a tenner.

Now he is 7/1

this may just reflect the amount of people backing him but i think he’d be perfect.

He’s pretty much a scouser now and is a very decent bloke with championship titles in Spain and Germany and obviously Champions League title.

How Lampards names is on this even on baffles me.

Howe - got promoted from the championship and has underwhelmed at a big(ish) club with a big big budget.

Klopp has done excellent Liverpool with a transfer budget is the tiny compared to all of his rivals. City , chelsea, united, newcastle.

So this pressure isn’t part on being the england manager plus he’ll get ‘a lot’ of time off which he clearly needs.

Potter - Fuck that.

 

[two sheds]

Rooney coming up late on the outside I bet you'd get good odds

 

[Steel Icarus]

View attachment 433795Klopp was 25/1 when the Southgate announcement was made.

Wish i’d put £10 on then but within 30 mins he’s odds had reduced to 10/1 which i did take. only a tenner.

Now he is 7/1

this may just reflect the amount of people backing him but i think he’d be perfect.

He’s pretty much a scouser now and is a very decent bloke with championship titles in Spain and Germany and obviously Champions League title.

How Lampards names is on this even on baffles me.

Howe - got promoted from the championship and has underwhelmed at a big(ish) club with a big big budget.

Klopp has done excellent Liverpool with a transfer budget is the tiny compared to all of his rivals. City , chelsea, united, newcastle.

So this pressure isn’t part on being the england manager plus he’ll get ‘a lot’ of time off which he clearly needs.

Potter - Fuck that.

Klopp never won a title in Spain, it was here

I would love it to be Klopp but I would be astonished if he goes for it

 

[cloudyday]

Howe - got promoted from the championship and has underwhelmed at a big(ish) club with a big big budget.

Quite the opposite. Champion's league football came a season too early for Howe, and the club have been financial constrained by the whole FFP bollocks.
Still I hope we keep him, his high energy press will not suit the England team after a full premiership season.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Klopp never won a title in Spain, it was here

I would love it to be Klopp but I would be astonished if he goes for it

Yeah, timing's probably off, if he'd ever go for it at all.

Was wondering the other day, if the whole "managing a national team is different from managing a club team" thing suggests that maybe that it should be something of a different path.

Not entirely sure what that'd look like, just something that identifies and develops people with those differing set of skills.

For example, Southgate obviously came up managing the youth team(s?), and I believe that's the route the Spanish manager took as well.

 

[Aaronf]

View attachment 433795Klopp was 25/1 when the Southgate announcement was made.

Wish i’d put £10 on then but within 30 mins he’s odds had reduced to 10/1 which i did take. only a tenner.

Now he is 7/1

this may just reflect the amount of people backing him but i think he’d be perfect.

He’s pretty much a scouser now and is a very decent bloke with championship titles in Spain and Germany and obviously Champions League title.

How Lampards names is on this even on baffles me.

Howe - got promoted from the championship and has underwhelmed at a big(ish) club with a big big budget.

Klopp has done excellent Liverpool with a transfer budget is the tiny compared to all of his rivals. City , chelsea, united, newcastle.

So this pressure isn’t part on being the england manager plus he’ll get ‘a lot’ of time off which he clearly needs.

Potter - Fuck that.

At those odds, Pochettino is a bit of value for a few quid imo. Just got a feeling it's likely to be Potter with maybe Howe turning it down for now.

I wouldn't actually mind if the not so special one anymore took it!

 

[Kaka Tim]

What southgate had/has was excellent man managment/people skills alongside England international expericence - so he could get all the players onside and playing how he wanted them to - so he did a lot better than more illustrious and successful coaches such as Eriksson and Capello. What he arguably lacked was the kind of inventive, imaganitive , coaching genius that you have with the likes of pep or klopp.
Klopp would be a wonderful choice - massively respected, combines maserful coaching chops with a deep knowledge of the english game and many of the players - but I seriosly doubt he would go for it right now - seeing as hes very publically said he wants to basically chill for a while.
Pochettino has similar credentials perhaps - think id prefer him to any of the other likely candidates.
Potter - no. Think theres a big differenace between taking a team of lower ranked players, getting them to belive in you and turning them into winners and making a team of estalbished elite talents (with elite level egos) work as a team - as his dismal tenure at Chelsea showed. (Going way back - Brain Clough - was brilliant at turning ugly ducklings into swans but it blew up in his face at leeds) .
Not sure about Eddie Howe - has he got the strenght of personality get the respect of the prima donnas (im looking at you jude) ?
Lampard? fuck off and keep fucking off bascially. Far too thin skinned and self regarding.
Whoever gets the job - its great timing - a youthful squad of players bursting with talent and potentaily only a few tweaks from being winners. Shame southgate never found that final bit of alchemy - but he's left an impressive legacy.

 

[The39thStep]

What southgate had/has was excellent man managment/people skills alongside England international expericence - so he could get all the players onside and playing how he wanted them to - so he did a lot better than more illustrious and successful coaches such as Eriksson and Capello. What he arguably lacked was the kind of inventive, imaganitive , coaching genius that you have with the likes of pep or klopp.
Klopp would be a wonderful choice - massively respected, combines maserful coaching chops with a deep knowledge of the english game and many of the players - but I seriosly doubt he would go for it right now - seeing as hes very publically said he wants to basically chill for a while.
Pochettino has similar credentials perhaps - think id prefer him to any of the other likely candidates.
Potter - no. Think theres a big differenace between taking a team of lower ranked players, getting them to belive in you and turning them into winners and making a team of estalbished elite talents (with elite level egos) work as a team - as his dismal tenure at Chelsea showed. (Going way back - Brain Clough - was brilliant at turning ugly ducklings into swans but it blew up in his face at leeds) .
Not sure about Steve Howe - has he got the strenght of personality get the respect of the prima donnas (im looking at you jude) ?
Lampard? fuck off and keep fucking off bascially. Far too thin skinned and self regarding.
Whoever gets the job - its great timing - a youthful squad of players bursting with talent and potentaily only a few tweaks from being winners. Shame southgate never found that final bit of alchemy - but he's left an impressive legacy.

I think you mean Eddie Howe unless the YES guitarist is having a very late career change

 

[Lord Camomile]

Bloody hell, this kinda puts the length of Southgate's time as manager into perspective

First and last line-ups:

Good on Stones and Walker making it all the way through

 

[stavros]

Alli and Sturridge always struck me as odd, as both were so hot for a short period (when partnering Kane and Suarez respectively), and then essentially disappeared.

 

[mod]

Klopp was 25/1 when the Southgate announcement was made.

Wish i’d put £10 on then but within 30 mins he’s odds had reduced to 10/1 which i did take. only a tenner.

Now he is 7/1

this may just reflect the amount of people backing him but i think he’d be perfect.

He’s pretty much a scouser now and is a very decent bloke with championship titles in Spain and Germany and obviously Champions League title.

Hos the names about him are even on the list raffles me.

Howe - got promoted from the championship and has underworld a big club with a big big budget.

Potter - Fuck that.

 

[stavros]

Potter - Fuck that.

Is it that stupid? He did very well at Brighton, albeit with the groundwork already done by Houghton, and England's four most successful tournament managers have all made their names at "lesser" clubs before taking the job (OK, Venables had managed Barca before England, but he made his name in management at QPR).

 

[The39thStep]

Klopp was 25/1 when the Southgate announcement was made.

Wish i’d put £10 on then but within 30 mins he’s odds had reduced to 10/1 which i did take. only a tenner.

Now he is 7/1

this may just reflect the amount of people backing him but i think he’d be perfect.

He’s pretty much a scouser now and is a very decent bloke with championship titles in Spain and Germany and obviously Champions League title.

Hos the names about him are even on the list raffles me.

Howe - got promoted from the championship and has underworld a big club with a big big budget.

Potter - Fuck that.

Which club was he with in Spain?

 

[Lotte]

Tbf to Potter, Chelsea are an absolute trainwreck and I can't hold his period there against him. Pochettino couldn't save them either and when they finally came together, fuckface Boehly sacked him.

 

[hash tag]

I'd be quite happy with Lee Carsley tbh

Who

 

[planetgeli]

Thomas Tuchel

Thomas Tuchel agrees deal to become England’s manager

The FA is in advanced talks with Thomas Tuchel over appointing him as the England manager and it is understood a deal could be put in place quickly

www.theguardian.com

 

[Bingoman]

Listening to talksport currently and their a lot of unhappy England fans that dont want a German manager

 

[skyscraper101]

Listening to talksport currently and their a lot of unhappy England fans that dont want a German manager

Lol right. Because all those English managers over the years have really brought home the silverware innit. Dense cunts.

 

[hash tag]

Listening to talksport currently and their a lot of unhappy England fans that dont want a German manager

Lol right. Because all those English managers over the years have really brought home the silverware innit. Dense cunts.

We didn't win the world cup with a German manager in charge.

 

[tommers]

I can't remember his time at Chelsea. What "style" does he play?

The39thStep ?

 

[planetgeli]

The39thStep

 

[planetgeli]

We didn't win the world cup with a German manager in charge.

No but it's so hard to find a Russian linesman these days

 

[Lord Camomile]

We didn't win the world cup with a German manager in charge.

No, but we lost a lot of 'em with English managers in charge.

Besides, the sample size for 'managers who have won the World Cup with England" is so small you couldn't even technically call it a trend.

 

[The39thStep]

I can't remember his time at Chelsea. What "style" does he play?

The39thStep ?

He’s pragmatic tbh , tends to find tactics that will make life difficult for the opposition but also bring out the strengths in his squad . He often played with three at the back a lot at Chelsea with wing backs but he also played with four at the back . Due to having Werner he played him wide and used a lot of diagonal passes for him to run onto , used Havertz further back from where he plays now at Arsenal . So I think he is flexible tactically but he demands a lot , loads of attention to detail , expects tactics to be carried out etc . Could be good at an international level as there isn’t the day to day clutter of people to fall out with . Intense .

 

[pbsmooth]

Poll fail…

Dull football but might actually win a trophy.