Next England manager

[starfish]

Sarina Wiegman

Oh the gammon meltdown would be a joy to behold.

 

[souljacker]

Would a world cup final count as a second game then?

One year later? I suppose so.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

One year later? I suppose so.

Sorry if I'm coming across as confrontational, but it seems to me like one of those "can't get the job without experience, can't get experience without the job" kind of scenarios. And that would mean no woman could ever make the move into the men's game; even after coming so close to completing the women's game (beaten finalists at the World Cup while European champions).

Great players have been terrible managers, mediocre players have been great managers. Character seems to be a more important trait than experience.

 

[souljacker]

Sorry if I'm coming across as confrontational, but it seems to me like one of those "can't get the job without experience, can't get experience without the job" kind of scenarios. And that would mean no woman could ever make the move into the men's game; even after coming so close to completing the women's game (beaten finalists at the World Cup while European champions).

Great players have been terrible managers, mediocre players have been great managers. Character seems to be a more important trait than experience.

I don't think you are being confrontational. It's a decent question. Why shouldn't a woman be able to manage a major mens team? My reasoning is that womens football is different, not just in the pace and physicality of the game but also because of the huge amount of pressure in the mens game (and not just in the premier league but all the way down to the lower divisions). It would be fantastic if it happened but I think any female manager that tried it would need to spend some time managing a championship team, then a premier league team.

It would be fun though. Hopefully it would give Joey Barton the massive heart failure he so clearly deserves.

 

[Thaw]

England women will end up 3rd in their Euros qualifying group if they lose tonight so that would be a hard sell

 

[souljacker]

England women will end up 3rd in their Euros qualifying group if they lose tonight so that would be a hard sell

Which in the mens game would result in much gnashing of teeth, hours of talk sport phone ins and 8 page post mortems in the tabloids. In the womens game, it might make a page in the sports section but probably not the actual back page. I didn't even know they were playing.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

I don't think you are being confrontational. It's a decent question. Why shouldn't a woman be able to manage a major mens team? My reasoning is that womens football is different, not just in the pace and physicality of the game but also because of the huge amount of pressure in the mens game (and not just in the premier league but all the way down to the lower divisions). It would be fantastic if it happened but I think any female manager that tried it would need to spend some time managing a championship team, then a premier league team.

It would be fun though. Hopefully it would give Joey Barton the massive heart failure he so clearly deserves.

There could be a separate argument that the international game is totally distinct from the club game. No signing players to fill the gaps in the squad, no everyday relationship with the players through training and coaching, just scouting and almost theoretical tactical work to do between national team meetups and very little time to put it all together into practice.

Someone with international management experience already could be at a distinct advantage compared to someone coming from the Premier League.

 

[souljacker]

There could be a separate argument that the international game is totally distinct from the club game. No signing players to fill the gaps in the squad, no everyday relationship with the players through training and coaching, just scouting and almost theoretical tactical work to do between national team meetups and very little time to put it all together into practice.

Someone with international management experience already could be at a distinct advantage compared to someone coming from the Premier League.

That's not an insane argument no. Funnily enough, that was where Southgate had come from (U21 England Team) and also where Lee Carsely is now. I think he could be a good choice for the role.

 

[xenon]

if it’s Sam Allardyce i’m emigrating.

 

[strung out]

That's not an insane argument no. Funnily enough, that was where Southgate had come from (U21 England Team) and also where Lee Carsely is now. I think he could be a good choice for the role.

Also where the Spain manager came from. Well, Spain u21s, not England u21s.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

That's not an insane argument no. Funnily enough, that was where Southgate had come from (U21 England Team) and also where Lee Carsely is now. I think he could be a good choice for the role.

There are plenty of parallels between Carsley and Wiegman tbh. Neither has managed at any relevant level in the men's club game; both are currently managing international teams at what common perception would have us believe is a tier below the senior men's side (one by virtue of age, one by gender); both have won trophies in recent history. Both have a good case.

 

[Monte]

Bit fractal.

 

[souljacker]

There are plenty of parallels between Carsley and Wiegman tbh. Neither has managed at any relevant level in the men's club game; both are currently managing international teams at what common perception would have us believe is a tier below the senior men's side (one by virtue of age, one by gender); both have won trophies in recent history. Both have a good case.

But one has no experience of the mens game (I think. She may have had a short period in charge of a Dutch mens team).

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

But one has no experience of the mens game (I think. She may have had a short period in charge of a Dutch mens team).

Media focus, match attendance, TV coverage and viewing figures; I can't argue that Wiegman has faced as much scrutiny and pressure as Southgate, but I could that she's faced more than Carsley.

As for the actual tactics, physicality and skill of the game - full circle back to the original question, men adapt to the women's game so why not vice versa?

 

[planetgeli]

As much as you are making a good argument Zapp, you know it's a pointless one. She has less chance of being given it than you. What we'll get is more play-it-safe-again-Sam (though not actually Sam, I presume).

I'd go for this bloke. Hell of a backstory, hadn't heard of him before he was interviewed on R4 yesterday. Read his wiki. Interesting bloke.

David Martindale - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

As much as you are making a good argument Zapp, you know it's a pointless one. She has less chance of being given it than you. What we'll get is more play-it-safe-again-Sam (though not actually Sam, I presume).

I'd go for this bloke. Hell of a backstory, hadn't heard of him before he was interviewed on R4 yesterday. Read his wiki. Interesting bloke.

David Martindale - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I know it's not going to happen, but I'm happy that it's not a stupid suggestion and I'm happy for people to talk about it because it means that one day it could.

Yours is a daft idea though. I mean really, a Scot managing England

 

[Ax^]

pfft what England needs is someone to motivate the lazy 50000 a week premiership starts to put in a full shift


Roy Keene's got the right sort of temper to do it

"we fanny about in our own end for 90 minutes and lost"

Roy :

 

[Boo Radley75]

As much as you are making a good argument Zapp, you know it's a pointless one. She has less chance of being given it than you. What we'll get is more play-it-safe-again-Sam (though not actually Sam, I presume).

I'd go for this bloke. Hell of a backstory, hadn't heard of him before he was interviewed on R4 yesterday. Read his wiki. Interesting bloke.

David Martindale - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

His serious criminal record would probably cause a lot of difficulties, getting him a visa for many of the countries England would play in, unfortunately.

 

[Bingoman]

if it’s Sam Allardyce i’m emigrating.

Dont worry I think that ship has now sailed now, how do you feel about Neil Warnock

 

[xenon]

Dont worry I think that ship has now sailed now, how do you feel about Neil Warnock

No. That would be a backward step. Another dinosaur.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

Dont worry I think that ship has now sailed now, how do you feel about Neil Warnock

Proper titles please. He's called Colin Wanker.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Bielsa lol. Zero serious titles as a manager

 

[Humberto]

Same as the majority of England managers in recent decades.

 

[Humberto]

Woy did win in Switzerland once I think.

 

[GarveyLives]

Prone to being sacked and likely to employ bizarre onfield tactics as totally reliant on right-wingers.​

 

[Lord Camomile]

You could argue that Southgate's record is better than any manager since Sir Alf Ramsey but unless you win the final you haven't won anything.

Aye, p'raps, but then almost all international managers, and all but one England manager, haven't won anything.

 

[stavros]

Oh the gammon meltdown would be a joy to behold.

Let's go full blast then, and appoint Meghan Markle.

 

[hash tag]

Does the new manager need to be English or British? Bearing in mind where Southgate came from, how about Steve Cooper?

 

[Bingoman]

Does the new manager need to be English or British? Bearing in mind where Southgate came from, how about Steve Cooper?

His just joined Leicester

 

[The39thStep]

I'd be quite happy with Lee Carsley tbh