New Star Trek series

[Reno]

Network TV so your The Wire, Sopranos, Galactica type multi episode story arcs, in depth character development, complex world themes will all be missing. The critiques of the modern world will be hammy and rammed down the throat and not offensive to middle America. Star Trek was over hyped ray guns and rocketships era sci fi wrapped in a psuedo philosophy for your average IT technician to think they were watching something deep at best. A reboot is a decade and a half too late\ out of date.

By the time Deep Space 9 and Enterprise came along Star Trek did long story arcs, actually not much different from Battlestar Galactica. With series like The Good Wife and American Crime Network TV has been getting in on the serialised approach. And why wouldn't they, it's popular now.

 

[DotCommunist]

voyager had a fairly long arc as well- yes it kept to the episodic nature but you had character development and of course, the quest to get home. I can't believe I'm defending Voyager, christ it had some bad days. But it had some good ones

 

[Reno]

voyager had a fairly long arc as well- yes it kept to the episodic nature but you had character development and of course, the quest to get home. I can't believe I'm defending Voyager, christ it had some bad days. But it had some good ones

I quite enjoyed Voyager. In Janeway and 7 of 9 it had two great female characters, even if one of them kept running around in spandex.

 

[Santino]

voyager had a fairly long arc as well- yes it kept to the episodic nature but you had character development and of course, the quest to get home. I can't believe I'm defending Voyager, christ it had some bad days. But it had some good ones

Some the later non-arc stories were quite imaginative. Like the world where time moved very quickly and the Doctor got trapped there for decades. But for every one of those there was a 'Janeway's adventures on the O'Holodeck' or a stupid Borg dream world thing.

 

[Reno]

Some the later non-arc stories were quite imaginative. Like the world where time moved very quickly and the Doctor got trapped there for decades. But for every one of those there was a 'Janeway's adventures on the O'Holodeck' or a stupid Borg dream world thing.

There aren't many Network TV series which have mostly great episodes and every Star Trek series was uneven. It comes with having to crank out 22 to 26 episodes a season.

I listened to some of the DVD commentaries for TNG and they were quite honest about how many episodes they thought were crap and how they struggled to get them out in time. Often they would spend too much of their budget early and then the later episodes of a season would mostly be bottle episodes.

 

[DotCommunist]

I quite enjoyed Voyager. In Janeway and 7 of 9 it had two great female characters, even if one of them kept running around in spandex.

bellana torres was also good. There's an episode where she somehow gets pon far (which is a vulcan thing so tuvok must have mind melded or something) and tries to bang tom parris but he is too much of a gent to take advantage.

 

[mwgdrwg]

Voyager:

 

[Reno]

bellana torres was also good. There's an episode where she somehow gets pon far (which is a vulcan thing so tuvok must have mind melded or something) and tries to bang tom parris but he is too much of a gent to take advantage.

I never thought her character worked as well as the other two but I've never been a huge Klingon fan. I'm glad they fired that insipid space pixie after a couple of seasons (the one who came with the guy in the picture above). The two women in DS9 were great too. Before that the female Star Trek characters were just....female.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Voyager:

Star Trek's answer to Jar Jar Binks.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Yes (Castle) but if the new Firefly were a short series, like the new XF, then I'm sure he could fit it in. He'd need to lose some weight though.

On the bright side, Fillion isn't under contract to ABC any more.

 

[Supine]

voyager had a fairly long arc as well- yes it kept to the episodic nature but you had character development and of course, the quest to get home. I can't believe I'm defending Voyager, christ it had some bad days. But it had some good ones

Did they get home? Cant remember if i watched them all.

 

[Reno]

Did they get home? Cant remember if i watched them all.

They did make it home.

 

[Corax]

This thread's just triggered memories of Lexx, which I'd totally forgotten about.

So going to have to revisit it now.

 

[CNT36]

bellana torres was also good. There's an episode where she somehow gets pon far (which is a vulcan thing so tuvok must have mind melded or something) and tries to bang tom parris but he is too much of a gent to take advantage.

Quite good that one. Think it was called Blood Fever. Had people living underground to stop invaders returning. An invaders corpse being found at the end was pretty cool at the time.

 

[NoXion]

I've always felt that Voyager was something of a missed opportunity. With a whole new galactic quadrant to play with the writers could have come up with some really strange shit. The closest they got was Species 8472. Also, they should have provided more of a sense of being too far from Federation supply lines and logistics, instead we got a ship and crew that looked far too undented for the fact that they were on the other side of the galaxy from home.

Having said that though, Voyager had some good episodes, even though "Threshold" was possibly the worst one I've ever seen. My favourite character was the Emergency Medical Hologram. Such a snarky bugger.

Voyager:

 

[krtek a houby]

I quite enjoyed Voyager. In Janeway and 7 of 9 it had two great female characters, even if one of them kept running around in spandex.

Actually, when you think about it; it was ahead of Star Wars with it's female and "minority" characters. So all the Rey and Finn haters out there can kiss my phaser.

 

[Pingu]

This thread's just triggered memories of Lexx, which I'd totally forgotten about.

So going to have to revisit it now.

We give thanks to His Divine Shadow for his ceaseless vigilance, protecting our universe of light and order from the horrors and disorder of the Dark Zone

 

[Pingu]

sorry just have to post my fav 790 quote

Don't look at me dead man in black, I have no motivation except to jam circuits with creamy love pudding number one

 

[Reno]

Actually, when you think about it; it was ahead of Star Wars with it's female and "minority" characters. So all the Rey and Finn haters out there can kiss my phaser.

Gene Roddenberry was very much influenced by the civil rights movement with Star Trek. The show was ahead for its time in terms of diversity which is one reason why it always appealed to me more than Star Wars. I believe Star Trek featured the first interracial kiss on US TV and despite Uhura not getting much to do, she was one of the very few black characters at the time who wasn't in a subservient role. Roddenberry introduced a lead character who was disabled on TNG and he tried to get a gay character on a show which the Networks opposed, so on DS9 they got around it by introducing Jadzia Dax who was a Trill, a symbiotic alien species who is gender fluid. One of the lead characters (I think the doctor) on that show was supposed to be in a flying wheelchair, but that turned out to be too expensive.

 

[Nine Bob Note]

There's a fantastic doc on Netflix about the increasingly bizarre methods Roddenberry and his lawyer tried to maintain control over TNG

 

[krtek a houby]

There's a fantastic doc on Netflix about the increasingly bizarre methods Roddenberry and his lawyer tried to maintain control over TNG

Yeah; that's a good one - Chaos on the Bridge.

 

[8den]

Voyager:

A Friend of mine was in the running for the part of Nelix and got down to the last four.

The Ex boyfriend of a mate was nearly cast as the Captain on Enterprise, and I swear to god they told him they were looking for someone more "Scott Bakula" ish.

 

[Reno]

There's a fantastic doc on Netflix about the increasingly bizarre methods Roddenberry and his lawyer tried to maintain control over TNG

Which one is it ? I'd quite like to see that.

He did become a pain by insisting on Star Trek staying completely Utopian with no conflict between crew members. By DS9 the managed to break away from that and overall it's probably my favourite ST show.

 

[8den]

I liked enterprise.

And the theme tune.

Do you enjoy Gillette adverted too?

I quite enjoyed Voyager. In Janeway and 7 of 9 it had two great female characters, even if one of them kept running around in spandex.

Voygager was shitter than the toilets in Glastonbury on the last day. Do you not remember the extended holodeck jollies in the twee Irish village? In fact despite having "limited" resources and being the furthest any humans had ever been they spent far too much time pissing away on the holodeck. Janeway and Tom Paris de evolving into some kind of mudfish? Completely random Sarah Silverman cameo when they made it to modern day America?

DS9 was easily the best Star Trek series period. It gave us everything from section 31 to the time and temporal investigations, either one of which would make a fantastic spin off.

 

[Reno]

Do you enjoy Gillette adverted too?



Voygager was shitter than the toilets in Glastonbury on the last day. Do you not remember the extended holodeck jollies in the twee Irish village? In fact despite having "limited" resources and being the furthest any humans had ever been they spent far too much time pissing away on the holodeck. Janeway and Tom Paris de evolving into some kind of mudfish? Completely random Sarah Silverman cameo when they made it to modern day America?

DS9 was easily the best Star Trek series period. It gave us everything from section 31 to the time and temporal investigations, either one of which would make a fantastic spin off.

You can make any Star Trek show look bad by pointing at the poor episodes and all of them had plenty of them. The holodeck was a drag on TNG as well. I thought once they introduced Seven of Nine the show really picked up. Janeway was a great captain. As I said, DS9 was my favourite too. The follow Voyager was on purpose designed as a contrast and it was a more lighter show as a result.

 

[krtek a houby]

Watched The Motion Picture again recently; I can't fault it. It's kind of beautiful. The worst instalment was the Kirk meets God film. If that was the first time I ever saw Start Trek, I wouldn't go near it again.

 

[Pseudopsycho]

Watched The Motion Picture again recently; I can't fault it. It's kind of beautiful. The worst instalment was the Kirk meets fights God film. If that was the first time I ever saw Start Trek, I wouldn't go near it again.

FIFY

 

[DotCommunist]

fights god and wins.

the best of the older trek films was the one where they go back in time to save the whales lol


or wrath of khan obvs


best newer one was star trek generations, it had everything. Even guynan turns up. Hard to believe that whoopi was in TNG but she was.

 

[krtek a houby]

fights god and wins.

the best of the older trek films was the one where they go back in time to save the whales lol


or wrath of khan obvs


best newer one was star trek generations, it had everything. Even guynan turns up. Hard to believe that whoopi was in TNG but she was.

I liked Generations but First Contact was awesome. My favourite Guinan eps are Time's Arrow and the one where she hisses at Q. Oh and the one where she tells Tasha Yar that she's meant to be dead.

 

[8den]

You can make any Star Trek show look bad by pointing at the poor episodes and all of them had plenty of them. The holodeck was a drag on TNG as well. I thought once they introduced Seven of Nine the show really picked up. Janeway was a great captain. As I said, DS9 was my favourite too. The follow Voyager was on purpose designed as a contrast and it was a more lighter show as a result.

Getting nerdy. You can see the Ronald D Moore influence on Voyager. In BSG resources were generally a constant issue and you did get the feeling the fleet was tided together with string and chicken wire. While on Voyager there was no sense of urgency or lack of resources (unless it was required for the plot of the week) And yes TNG and DS9 over used the holodeck but not to the point Voyager did (I will however admit that I am tremendously biased that fake Oirish village they were always pissing about in gets my hackles up. I always feel Voyager was a squandered opportunity and alot of the ideas that could have made it interesting to me, went with Moore to BSG.

Also the series finale just sucked. It's like everyone stopped trying and finished half way through a page.