New Star Trek series

[krtek a houby]

As series finales go, you probably can't get much more disappointing than Enterprise.

 

[8den]

fights god and wins.

the best of the older trek films was the one where they go back in time to save the whales lol


or wrath of khan obvs


best newer one was star trek generations, it had everything. Even guynan turns up. Hard to believe that whoopi was in TNG but she was.

Nah first contact, Patrick Stewart quoting moby dick, and taking out some borg with a tommy gun.

 

[DotCommunist]

I haven't seen first contact since it came out at the cinema, 20 years ago suddenly I feel old man

torrenting it for tonights film, all I can remember is the S&M subtext to the borg queen that I was just old enough to get

 

[krtek a houby]

I haven't seen first contact since it came out at the cinema, 20 years ago suddenly I feel old man

torrenting it for tonights film, all I can remember is the S&M subtext to the borg queen that I was just old enough to get

Still holds up, I reckons.

 

[Reno]

Getting nerdy. You can see the Ronald D Moore influence on Voyager. In BSG resources were generally a constant issue and you did get the feeling the fleet was tided together with string and chicken wire. While on Voyager there was no sense of urgency or lack of resources (unless it was required for the plot of the week) And yes TNG and DS9 over used the holodeck but not to the point Voyager did (I will however admit that I am tremendously biased that fake Oirish village they were always pissing about in gets my hackles up. I always feel Voyager was a squandered opportunity and alot of the ideas that could have made it interesting to me, went with Moore to BSG.

Also the series finale just sucked. It's like everyone stopped trying and finished half way through a page.

I'm not saying Voyager was any great shakes and I agree with several of your complaints, but I liked it enough to watch it from beginning to end while it was on. I threw in the towel half way through the first season of Enterprise. That I though really was shit. I read that it picks up in later seasons but never could be bothered.

 

[8den]

I haven't seen first contact since it came out at the cinema, 20 years ago suddenly I feel old man

torrenting it for tonights film, all I can remember is the S&M subtext to the borg queen that I was just old enough to get

Whatever floats your boat dude.

 

[krtek a houby]

I'm not saying Voyager was any great shakes and I agree with several of your complaints, but I liked it enough to watch it from beginning to end while it was on. I threw in the towel half way through the first season of Enterprise. That I though really was shit. I read that it picks up in later seasons but never could be bothered.

Yeah, I quit around the same time. I did watch one Borg ep, which is apparently linked to First Contact, iirc. Data's creator turns up in a few eps as well. I heard about the finale and when I finally saw it, well, the last 5 mins, I was outraged. Mildly outraged.

 

[8den]

I'm not saying Voyager was any great shakes and I agree with several of your complaints, but I liked it enough to watch it from beginning to end while it was on. I threw in the towel half way through the first season of Enterprise. That I though really was shit. I read that it picks up in later seasons but never could be bothered.

Yeah thats the same thing I heard, Data's creator, genetically modified humans, time wars etc, all sound interesting, but I could barely make it past the theme music.

My problem with Voyager is that it seems like a regression after DS9's long story arcs, interesting multi facetted characters with strong personal development.

 

[DotCommunist]

I'm telling you, the mirror universe two parter is the only good thing about enterprise. T'pol's midriff! Evil Archer! Bizarrley over camped fascism!

 

[8den]

Yeah, I quit around the same time. I did watch one Borg ep, which is apparently linked to First Contact, iirc. Data's creator turns up in a few eps as well. I heard about the finale and when I finally saw it, well, the last 5 mins, I was outraged. Mildly outraged.

My memory of the finale is they're being chased by the borg through a wormhole, Janeway shouts now, Suddenly they're <i>behind</i> Tuvok hits some Deus Ex Machina button, the borg blow up. Torres gives birth, they fly out of the wormhole at earth were they're greeted by Paris's dad (who doesn't say two fucking words to his son, despite the fact that having Daddy issues is his entire personality), someone asks Janeway to write a report. Cue end credits.

Which is a tad bit better than Enterprise which just shits on the whole series and is basically the Star Trek equivalent of "it was all a dream."

 

[8den]

I'm telling you, the mirror universe two parter is the only good thing about enterprise. T'pol's midriff! Evil Archer! Bizarrley over camped fascism!

Gave up well before then. DS9 had some great mirror universe stuff as well. If you're into your kinky star trek dominatrix thing (which you clearly are Dotc) major Kira in a leather cat suit leering over herself, is nearly as good as Lesbian Vampire Willow in Buffy.

 

[Reno]

Yeah thats the same thing I heard, Data's creator, genetically modified humans, time wars etc, all sound interesting, but I could barely make it past the theme music.

My problem with Voyager is that it seems like a regression after DS9's long story arcs, interesting multi facetted characters with strong personal development.

...and for me Voyager was all about the relationship between Janeway and Seven of Nine and I thought that was really well handled. It was one of the best relationships in all of Star Trek.

Apparently Kate Mulgrew loathed Jeri Ryan for having been brought in as the resident sexpot (Ryan has been quite candid about what a bitch Mulgrew was to her on set), so considering that, both actors did an excellent job.

 

[krtek a houby]

My memory of the finale is they're being chased by the borg through a wormhole, Janeway shouts now, Suddenly they're <i>behind</i> Tuvok hits some Deus Ex Machina button, the borg blow up. Torres gives birth, they fly out of the wormhole at earth were they're greeted by Paris's dad (who doesn't say two fucking words to his son, despite the fact that having Daddy issues is his entire personality), someone asks Janeway to write a report. Cue end credits.

Which is a tad bit better than Enterprise which just shits on the whole series and is basically the Star Trek equivalent of "it was all a dream."

I can't remember anything about the Voyager finale. I think I might have given up on that around 4th or 5th season...

 

[8den]

...and for me Voyager was all about the relationship between Janeway and Seven of Nine and I thought that was really well handled. It was one of the best relationships in all of Star Trek.

Apparently Kate Mulgrew loathed Jeri Ryan for having been brought in as the resident sexpot (Ryan has been quite candid about what a bitch Mulgrew was to her on set), so considering that, both actors did an excellent job.

Fun fact Kate Mulgrew stared in a very bizarre and very short lived Columbo spin off, as Mrs Columbo. Peter Falk was never in and frankly all I can say it's a mystery worthy of Columbo how on earth the network thought she was the right age to play his wife.

 

[Reno]

I've seen an episode of that, it's an extra on my Columbo DVD box set. Kate Mulgrew is great on Orange is the New Black as a Russian mafia wife.

 

[krtek a houby]

I'm telling you, the mirror universe two parter is the only good thing about enterprise. T'pol's midriff! Evil Archer! Bizarrley over camped fascism!

OMG. Just been checking it on Youtube. Shit; that looks really good.

 

[DotCommunist]

t's a mystery worthy of Columbo how on earth the network thought she was the right age to play his wife.

quincy was always going with women half his age. No word on ironsides love interests

OMG. Just been checking it on Youtube. Shit; that looks really good.

told ye it almost, almost made go back and watch some normal Enterprise but I slapped myself and snapped out of it

 

[Santino]

Mrs Columbo is non-canonical.

 

[kabbes]

As far as I am aware, it was never clear that Mrs. Columbo was meant to be the wife of the actual Lieutenant Columbo, LAPD. Although she obviously was meant to be her.

There is a fan theory that Lt. Columbo doesn't even have a wife. He just uses the concept of a wife as a way of getting into conversations. Or maybe he didn't have one for the earlier series but then did have one for the later ones.

 

[kabbes]

Heh. Mention Columbo and both me and Santino turn up within 15 minutes.

 

[Santino]

As far as I am aware, it was never clear that Mrs. Columbo was meant to be the wife of the actual Lieutenant Columbo, LAPD. Although she obviously was meant to be her.

There is a fan theory that Lt. Columbo doesn't even have a wife. He just uses the concept of a wife as a way of getting into conversations. Or maybe he didn't have one for the earlier series but then did have one for the later ones.

The dating of his wedding anniversary disproves that.

He was called Frank and his wife's name was Rose.

 

[Reno]

Mrs Columbo is non-canonical.

It was just really dumb idea. In Columbo she's in a long tradition of TV characters who get talked about but who are never seen and you have to use your imagination to fill her in. The spin-off show her ruins that.

The show didn't take off and when it came back for a second season they renamed her and completely distanced the show from Columbo, but it sank soon after anyway. You just don't mess with Columbo.

 

[kabbes]

The Rose thing is definitely non-canonical. That was something Peter Falk said off the cuff. Never heard that his first name is Frank? I thought his first name is Lieutenant.

I forgot he had a wedding anniversary. Really late dated episode that, though, with the smack of ret-conning. But I suppose it counts as canon.

Remind me -- does that episode really prove once and for all that he was married at the time of the early Columbos? Or does it require us to believe that the episodes took place in the year that they were released, rather than at some point within that era?

 

[Reno]

As far as I am aware, it was never clear that Mrs. Columbo was meant to be the wife of the actual Lieutenant Columbo, LAPD. Although she obviously was meant to be her.

There is a fan theory that Lt. Columbo doesn't even have a wife. He just uses the concept of a wife as a way of getting into conversations. Or maybe he didn't have one for the earlier series but then did have one for the later ones.

For a long time I thought he made her up. He always struck me as single guy with his crumpled trenchcoat. But there are scenes of him alone on the phone to her and things like that.

 

[Santino]

This still from the series establishes the mundane truth of his name:

 

[DotCommunist]

In Columbo she's in a long tradition of TV characters who get talked about but who are never seen and you have to use your imagination to fill her in

mrs mainwaring similarly ruined for fans by being shown in the new film. I've not seen it but I'm told it stank badly

 

[kabbes]

For a long time I thought he made her up. He always struck me as single guy with his crumpled trenchcoat. But there are scenes of him alone on the phone to her and things like that.

The scenes with Mrs Columbo off-camera are in later series though.

Early Columbo has a very different character to late Columbo. Early Columbo is, frankly, a scary character. He is relentless, apparently never sleeps and has a really dark streak to his character. It is entirely believable that this Columbo would make up a wife just as a device to get to the bad guy. Late Columbo is much more amiable.

I still think he actually gets married at some point around the seasons 3-5 mark and back-dating the wedding anniversary can be understood in the context that the early seasons take place 3-5 years before the year in which the episodes are aired.

 

[Ax^]

speaking of which what happened to this idea

 

[Santino]

I would watch it but it needs to be on telly/streaming, not at the cinema.

 

[kabbes]

The problem with remaking Columbo is that the real thing was always relentlessly of its time. It always showcased the latest gadgets, often making them the centerpiece of its plots. It reveled in the latest fashions, the latest music, the latest fads. One of the joys of watching it now is just how much it fits into whichever era it was made in.

If you remake it, you have to either stay true to that ethos and make a 2010s cop show, which wouldn't feel right, or you have to go back and remake something from a bygone age, which wouldn't be Columbo.