Murdoch Empire In Open Call For Fascism.

[taffboy gwyrdd]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/0
6/wall-street-journal-editorial-egypt-pinochet …

Even I found this a bit jaw dropping. I guess spying on a child murdered by a paedophile can get stories, but for real political momentum there need to be more people raped by dogs on the basis of their beliefs. Don't let anyone kid you that this man doesn't retain vast influence over our politics.

Now the enemy is fully unmasked, those who co operate with him are collaborationists.

 

[butchersapron]

Oh you silly boy

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Oh you silly boy

I don't understand. Everything I've said there is fact based, no hyperbole and no need for it.

His rags spied on a 14 yr old victim of a paedophile, now they call for a similar reign to one which had people raped with dogs.

He retains influence over our political scene and is thus highly dangerous. I trust your problems with him and this WSJ piece are somewhat larger than your issues with me at least, but I accept it might be disempowering that you can't snarl at him on a messageboard, assuming he doesn't post on here.

ETA : or do you just think I'm silly for being surprised?

 

[butchersapron]

It's fun, but i don't need to deal with this rabid nonsense. Do i?

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

You're the one who did try to "deal" with it. Don't you know your own mind?

Please cite a single aspect of the OP that doesn't make sense. It's far from rabid Butcher's it based entirely on well known documented fact. What's so appalling is that it is not neither rabid or nonsense.

 

[butchersapron]

You're the one who did try to "deal" with it. Don't you know your own mind?

Please cite a single aspect of the OP that doesn't make sense. It's far from rabid Butcher's it based entirely on well known documented fact. What's so appalling is that it is not neither rabid or nonsense.

Come on.

 

[butchersapron]

Seriously

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

OK, Butch...Another angle...Do you have any comment on the Wall Street Journal calling for a Pinochet style leader in Egypt?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

I'm not quite sure what butchers angle is, but I'd certainly question the "now they are unmasked" comment.

I thought it had been pretty clear for a long time that the flavour of capitalism that the Wall Street Journal promotes was entirely onside with Pinochet-style dictators ...

 

[butchersapron]

I'm shocked that a paper that supports this openly says it may sort of support this No what, given open fascism is here, today in our rice crispies, on our charger as we forget to put the bins out.

You are very silly.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

I'm shocked that a paper that supports this openly says it may sort of support this No what, given open fascism is here, today in our rice crispies, on our charger as we forget to put the bins out.

You are very silly.

Thanks Butch. That does make a lot more sense now, and it only took 4 posts to get past playing the man and onto playing the ball.

I don't eat rice crispies though and had no idea that things had got that bad. I guess Kellog's production could be pretty regimented and they may well have become less ethical since they passed out of the hands of genuine Quakers. Perhaps you could write a pamphlet or something.

I have of course been called far worse things than "very silly", including by you - so don't feel too chided.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

I'm not quite sure what butchers angle is, but I'd certainly question the "now they are unmasked" comment.

I thought it had been pretty clear for a long time that the flavour of capitalism that the Wall Street Journal promotes was entirely onside with Pinochet-style dictators ...

Fair comment.

 

[suki456]

I'm not quite sure what butchers angle is, but I'd certainly question the "now they are unmasked" comment.

I thought it had been pretty clear for a long time that the flavour of capitalism that the Wall Street Journal promotes was entirely onside with Pinochet-style dictators ...

That may be true, but I still think its totally justified to make a big noise and calling them out on it. The media doing this stuff and not being challenged on it is one of the ways we've ended up with neocon ideology dominating the debate.
oh, and has butch called you drunk yet, lol, its the funniest.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

The media doing this stuff and not being challenged on it is one of the ways we've ended up with neocon ideology dominating the debate.

But surely it's more important that the left gets to feel smug about how much we know than the mere challenging of stuff.

People who challenge the establishment are LUDICROUS. Everyone who's in the know knows the establishment is a crock, so let's all keep our traps shut.

 

[SpineyNorman]

But surely it's more important that the left gets to feel smug about how much we know than the mere challenging of stuff.

People who challenge the establishment are LUDICROUS. Everyone who's in the know knows the establishment is a crock, so let's all keep our traps shut.

In what way are you challenging the establishment here?

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

In what way are you challenging the establishment here?

Here? In none ways I hope.

But in the places elsewhere I am bringing this up I hope I am drawing attention to how repulsive this character is to people still not fully aware of it.

When a major press baron's rag calls for a rape-dog level of fascism it's imperative we do what we can to bring it to people's attention, I reckon that rather moderate and conservative people, far beyond our perhaps typical circles, are still rather disapproving of rape dogs. It's a hunch.

Or do you think that most people fully know that Murdoch is proto fascist and basically don't mind? If that were the case I might be wrong.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Here? In none ways I hope.

But in the places elsewhere I am bringing this up I hope I am drawing attention to how repulsive this character is to people still not fully aware of it.

When a major press baron's rag calls for a rape-dog level of fascism it's imperative we do what we can to bring it to people's attention, I reckon that rather moderate and conservative people, far beyond our perhaps typical circles, are still rather disapproving of rape dogs. It's a hunch.

Or do you think that most people fully know that Murdoch is proto fascist and basically don't mind? If that were the case I might be wrong.

You said:

People who challenge the establishment are LUDICROUS.

So I was wondering why you thought that the hysterical points being labeled as ludicrous were in some way related to challenging the establishment. Otherwise your comments don't really make sense and it would appear that yet again people who don't share your views on the media brainwashing stupid proles are in some way establishment stooges or something. Unlike you of course, who challenges the establishment by endorsing bonkers conspiracy theories, promoting right wing bigots like Max Keiser and campaigning for the Green Party (lol).

Most people don't care either way, won't be in the least moved when you tell them, and are probably right to take this position. This isn't new at all.

Pinochet's regime wasn't fascist either.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

You said:


So I was wondering why you thought that the hysterical points being labeled as ludicrous were in some way related to challenging the establishment.

What's ludicrous? The claim that Murdoch papers spied on a child murdered by a paedophile?

That Pinochet had opponents raped with dogs?

those are the only things I really drew upon in the OP.


[/quote]Otherwise your comments don't really make sense and it would appear that yet again people who don't share your views on the media brainwashing stupid proles are in some way establishment stooges or something.[/quote]

I don't believe that of people who don't agree with me, not by any stretch. There's a range of credible opinions beyond mine, perhaps yours are among them. But there is enough evidence that people do go along with dubious MSM narratives (support for austerity measures shown in polls for example).

[/quote]Unlike you of course, who challenges the establishment by endorsing bonkers conspiracy theories, promoting right wing bigots like Max Keiser and campaigning for the Green Party (lol).[/quote]

I promote Max Keiser because he knows and projects a great deal detail about finance fraud than anyone else I am aware of. I'm not sure if his frequent praise for UK Uncut, Sea Shepherd and Mark McGowan are part of his alleged "right wing bigotry" or not.
I'm aware he's not an orthodox leftist, not least because he doesn't endlessly indulge in slagging off leftists about angels dancing on the head of a pin.

However, if you have any quality content of your own on economics I'd be delighted to promote it. don't hold back.

[/quote]Most people don't care either way, won't be in the least moved when you tell them, and are probably right to take this position[/quote]

Ok, now you've declared there's no problem in a major press baron's empire calling for totalitarian death squads regimes, we know where are.

[/quote] This isn't new at all [/quote]

Go and ask 100 people if they were aware that Murdoch papers back that kind of regime. How many do you think will say yes?

Ask them if it bothers them, and bothers them if they didn't know.

I have a strong feeling that plenty don't know and would be bothered both by the facts and that they didn't know.

But you say it's nothing new, so lets not follow it up.

Not unusually for this parish, in dissing others for aloofness you come across as very aloof yourself. Could you outline some of your magic secrets of campaigning and some of the fruits?

When I look at the broad left in this country (including where I am at) I see very little place for people slagging off other people's methods. beyond local pockets we all seem to be failing quite miserably. But never mind, we can slag each other off - that's the main thing.

[/quote] Pinochet's regime wasn't fascist either.[/quote] could you expand on that please?

 

[DotCommunist]

sort your quotes out and wipe your chin

 

[SpineyNorman]

I have no idea what's going on in that post taffboy.

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't understand.

and therein lies the problem

 

[Pickman's model]

What's ludicrous? The claim that Murdoch papers spied on a child murdered by a paedophile? [snip]

can you sort your quotes out? it makes you look stupid when you post shit like this.

 

[Pickman's model]

Here? In none ways I hope.

But in the places elsewhere I am bringing this up I hope I am drawing attention to how repulsive this character is to people still not fully aware of it.

When a major press baron's rag calls for a rape-dog level of fascism it's imperative we do what we can to bring it to people's attention, I reckon that rather moderate and conservative people, far beyond our perhaps typical circles, are still rather disapproving of rape dogs. It's a hunch.

Or do you think that most people fully know that Murdoch is proto fascist and basically don't mind? If that were the case I might be wrong.

do you know what proto-fascist is? i suspect not from the way you use the term.

 

[Pickman's model]

Even I found this a bit jaw dropping.

it's a pity you didn't find it brain-starting

 

[butchersapron]

Here? In none ways I hope.

But in the places elsewhere I am bringing this up I hope I am drawing attention to how repulsive this character is to people still not fully aware of it.

When a major press baron's rag calls for a rape-dog level of fascism it's imperative we do what we can to bring it to people's attention, I reckon that rather moderate and conservative people, far beyond our perhaps typical circles, are still rather disapproving of rape dogs. It's a hunch.

Or do you think that most people fully know that Murdoch is proto fascist and basically don't mind? If that were the case I might be wrong.

If you bring up anything at all in the frothing at the mouth style OMG the rape-dogs are coming way that you did here you will automatically be dismissed as a nutter to be ignored.

(And the rape-dog stuff, please please don't use something so horrible for crude shock value - and don't come back saying that you only did so because it was so shocking, when it was clearly used for cheap effect rather than establishing both the depths of the Pinochet regimes actions and endorsement of such thing by the WSJ - that can be done far better without such bombast).

 

[butchersapron]

Seriously this:

Egyptians would be lucky if their new ruling generals turn out to be in the mold of Chile's Augusto Pinochet, who took power amid chaos but hired free-market reformers and midwifed a transition to democracy. If General Sisi merely tries to restore the old Mubarak order, he will eventually suffer Mr. Morsi's fate.

Can be taken apart far more profitably and without any hysteria politically and historically on a number of levels.

Firstly, the chaos that pinochet took power amid was mostly the result of the actions of the traditional Chilean elites and their clients with the financial support of the US and other western/capital/states - the blockades, the strikes, the boycotts, the terrorism, the threats, the whipped up violence and atmosphere to panic and so on to the pretty mild reforms the coalition was trying to introduce.

Secondly, to take power he had to destroy the already rather limited form of democracy that existed in chile, rather then taking power in order to midwife democracy.

These actions were taken in the context of a series of regional challenges to elites that were themselves taking place in the context of various forms of elite defeats and and challenges around the globe. This is one way that elites deal with crisis - today they are willing to do the same and normalising such actions is a key function of opinion-formers like the WSJ who are part of the legitimisation apparatus of the elites.

There you go, a number of things pulled together that can all be demonstrated happened quite easily, connections made between interests and actions identified and so on with 5 minutes typing and a bit of thought.

 

[sihhi]

Now the enemy is fully unmasked, those who co operate with him are collaborationists.

What should be done with these collaborationists?
How big a group is this we're dealing with?

 

[likesfish]

Pinochet was relativly restrained as muderous tryants go compared to argentina,indonesia or guatemala he was practicly a pacifist only 3000 dead in 17 years and 30000 tortured

Not getting the death toll into 5 or 6 figures bit of a slacker really

 

[treelover]

Pinochet's regime wasn't fascist either.

I know a fair few Chileans who escaped Pinochet to live in the UK who would disagree.