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“Atypical” spread including links to a fetish festival in Belgium and a gay sauna in Spain. So, this is a credible explanation that abates the already low probability of foul play.
www.theguardian.com
WHO official warns monkeypox could accelerate as cases spread across Europe
The virus has been found in an ‘atypical’ spread in several countries as well as in the United States, Canada and Australia
Nine Bob Note
Self-Isolating before it was fashionable
By rights I should have caught Covid about 57 times by now but, so far as I'm aware, have never had it, so as an anti-social celibate I expect my first case of monkey pox any day now
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
If I scratch my balls in the morning when I wake up have I got it? 
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Well it’s morning and you’re up, have you scratched?If I scratch my balls in the morning when I wake up have I got it?
Supine
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If I scratch my balls in the morning when I wake up have I got it?
Not sure. Fancy a banana?
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
All the married people say 'ayoh ayoh...'
friedaweed
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I'm scratching my head as to why I was up all night spinning the wheels of steel
friedaweed
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I'd quite like to be a monkey. I'll be a bonobo please.
Nylock
I hate 'these days'...
We won't be that lucky. The giant meteor will look like it's on a direct collision course; global stress levels will go stratospheric, all sorts of horrible interpersonal and internecine shit will kick off in the face of certain extinction and then, at the very last minute, the moon's gravity will nudge it into a near-miss leaving us to awkwardly pick up the pieces. Ofc, the sun will then slingshot it back to us and we'll get rubbed out 6 months later being none the wiser as it came from the sun and we weren't looking in that direction at the time...
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Puddy_Tat
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According to my Lewisham Borough Health Department card, I got a smallpox vaccine in July 1971 when I was about 18 months old.
There is a line on the card for smallpox re-vaccination at age 5 along with some other vaccinations - it's not quite clear whether I got that as well or just the ones on the line above.
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Festish festivals and gay saunas ahoy!
elbows
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This BBC article does a better job of discussing the 'tip of the iceberg' possibilities than we may have expected to see acknowledged at this stage of an outbreak in the pre-pandemic past.
It also mentions two of the major possibilities for why this outbreak is different:
That does leave out the other option I mentioned earlier in the thread, that it is people that have changed in some way, but I dont want to give too much more attention to that possibility because it might sound like I am wedded to it when actually I'm not, I just dont like to take possibilities off the table too early.
Monkeypox: Time to worry or one to ignore?
We are facing an unusual and unprecedented monkeypox outbreak but how worrying is it?
www.bbc.co.uk
It also mentions two of the major possibilities for why this outbreak is different:
That does leave out the other option I mentioned earlier in the thread, that it is people that have changed in some way, but I dont want to give too much more attention to that possibility because it might sound like I am wedded to it when actually I'm not, I just dont like to take possibilities off the table too early.
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Not forgetting the 3rd explanation…Foul play.
elbows
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Well that would be the fourth possibility in my book, and one Im even less likely to go on about unless there were at least some crumbs that could point in that direction. I dont rule it out though, but as usual there is mostly just timing/motives that people can come up with for such things, coupled with the obvious ways that authorities dont wish to dwell publicly on such possibilities and would have a bunch of plausible cover stories to fall back on instead, at least initially. But those things combined are still lacking in substance and would be hard to distinguish from any old conspiracy theory that anyone could pull out of their arse without much effort.
Sasaferrato
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I've had three, one a child, one when I joined the army and one when we first flew to Germany, there had been an outbreak in Britain.
1978 smallpox outbreak in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia
I've had five BCGs, and a Heaf test given at 9am has gone by midday. No TB antibodies at all.
WhyLikeThis
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You may call it a conspiracy theory but I would bet that Porton Down are assessing this right now.
elbows
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I didnt call it a conspiracy theory, I said that it would be hard to distinguish it from any old conspiracy theory that anyone could pull out of their arse, and that I would require at least a few more crumbs to go on before routinely going on about this possibility. I also mentioned the obvious timing/motivation that might leap readily to mind this year. As usual I try to tread the tightrope of keeping a genuinely open mind without developing my own preference for which possibility seems most plausible to me.
StoneRoad
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I have had at least one smallpox inoculation, I think it was before my early teens.
I got a humungous scab, to which the gauze became stuck, and then an allergic reaction [ very itchy red lumpy rash] to the zinc oxide adhesive strips ... and a large scar, as a souvenir ...
I got a humungous scab, to which the gauze became stuck, and then an allergic reaction [ very itchy red lumpy rash] to the zinc oxide adhesive strips ... and a large scar, as a souvenir ...
elbows
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I've had three, one a child, one when I joined the army and one when we first flew to Germany, there had been an outbreak in Britain.
1978 smallpox outbreak in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
I've had five BCGs, and a Heaf test given at 9am has gone by midday. No TB antibodies at all.
Ah yes, that reminds me of the fifth broad possibility in such matters, lab/research accidents. A topic that was well worth discussing when it came to covid, and should always be on the broadest lists, but again one that I wont try to get my teeth into unless there were pointers in that direction on this occasion.
WhyLikeThis
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Not just timing and motive. There’s a first hand account of Russian development of Monkeypox as a weapon. They have had the ability for years. I think its highly unlikely but it would be foolish to dismiss this possibility. Especially in light of many people seriously concerned of Putin’s potential to use tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine. A bioweapon would a lower risk option….especially if the outbreaks can be obfuscated by exploiting a marginalised group….a group Putin and his Chechen militia have ruthlessly attacked.
elbows
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I dont dismiss possibilities, I just dont promote them without more to go on. Things cross my mind and then its a case of keeping them in mind without ending up finding them compelling without good cause beyond a crude form of 'I can make that timing and history fit a theory neatly'.
Would have made more sense to have monkey pox outbreaks in Ukraine wouldn’t it? Why Portugal?
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If you read the interview with the Russian bioweapons scientist post oop thread, you’ll note that the weaponisation of Monkeypox is to provide plausible deniability. If Ukraine suddenly had an outbreak of Monkeypox everyone and their dog would know the cause.
Why Portugal?
Portugal to send another 160 tonnes of military aid to Ukraine - Euractiv
Portugal is preparing to send another 160 tonnes of material to Ukraine, including military equipment, Defence Minister Helena Carreiras said after the EU Foreign Affairs Council in Brussels Tuesday. As she left what was her first meeting at EU level...
www.euractiv.com
Russia expels five Portuguese diplomats
The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs has announced that it will expel five Portuguese diplomats, a decision that the Portuguese Government confirmed and repudiated
www.theportugalnews.com
….and Magnus McGinty
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moochedit
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Putins playing 8D chess though. Far too clever for us to understand
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I believe the most likely explanation is the most straightforward one i.e. someone travelled from an area where this disease is endemic and boned promiscuous people.
These are the nations with outbreaks currently…
The most likely link between these locations is wealth enabling travel for sexy fun times.
However, to flesh out the foul play scenario all these nations have provided military hardware that’s been slaughtering Russian soldiers en masse, destroying significant tonnes of Russian hardware and ultimately humiliating Putin who has a notorious thin skin.
These are the nations with outbreaks currently…
The most likely link between these locations is wealth enabling travel for sexy fun times.
However, to flesh out the foul play scenario all these nations have provided military hardware that’s been slaughtering Russian soldiers en masse, destroying significant tonnes of Russian hardware and ultimately humiliating Putin who has a notorious thin skin.
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WhyLikeThis
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Fuck off.
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