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After monkeypox we'll probably have a giant meteorite strike.
We won't be that lucky. The giant meteor will look like it's on a direct collision course; global stress levels will go stratospheric, all sorts of horrible interpersonal and internecine shit will kick off in the face of certain extinction and then, at the very last minute, the moon's gravity will nudge it into a near-miss leaving us to awkwardly pick up the pieces. Ofc, the sun will then slingshot it back to us and we'll get rubbed out 6 months later being none the wiser as it came from the sun and we weren't looking in that direction at the time...
 
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Pretty sure I’ve had smallpox vaccine already. Not sure when they stopped being given in the U.K.


Routine mass use of it in the UK seems to have ended in 1971:

According to my Lewisham Borough Health Department card, I got a smallpox vaccine in July 1971 when I was about 18 months old.

There is a line on the card for smallpox re-vaccination at age 5 along with some other vaccinations - it's not quite clear whether I got that as well or just the ones on the line above.
 
That Antwerp darklands festival looks interesting. I wonder how many 90s drum and bass heads bought tickets and found themselves at a fist fucking pup play jamboree. Anyway that would be my excuse 😜
 
According to my Lewisham Borough Health Department card, I got a smallpox vaccine in July 1971 when I was about 18 months old.

There is a line on the card for smallpox re-vaccination at age 5 along with some other vaccinations - it's not quite clear whether I got that as well or just the ones on the line above.

Festish festivals and gay saunas ahoy!
 
This BBC article does a better job of discussing the 'tip of the iceberg' possibilities than we may have expected to see acknowledged at this stage of an outbreak in the pre-pandemic past.


We know we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg as the cases being detected don't fit into a neat picture of this person passed it on to that person etc. Instead many of the cases appear unrelated, so there are missing links in a chain that seems to spread across Europe and beyond.

A recent massive superspreading event, in which large numbers of people gathered and caught monkeypox at the same venue such as a festival and then took it home to different countries, could explain the current situation.

The alternative explanation for so many unconnected people getting infected is if the virus has actually been bubbling along unnoticed for quite some time involving a lot of people.
Either way, we can expect to continue to find more cases.

It also mentions two of the major possibilities for why this outbreak is different:

There's two broad options - the virus has changed or the same old virus has found itself in the right place at the right time to thrive.

Monkeypox is a DNA virus so it does not mutate as rapidly as Covid or flu. Very early genetic analysis suggests the current cases are very closely related to forms of the virus seen in 2018 and 2019.

It is too early to be sure, but for now there is no evidence this is a new mutant variant at play.

That does leave out the other option I mentioned earlier in the thread, that it is people that have changed in some way, but I dont want to give too much more attention to that possibility because it might sound like I am wedded to it when actually I'm not, I just dont like to take possibilities off the table too early.
 
Not forgetting the 3rd explanation…Foul play.
Well that would be the fourth possibility in my book, and one Im even less likely to go on about unless there were at least some crumbs that could point in that direction. I dont rule it out though, but as usual there is mostly just timing/motives that people can come up with for such things, coupled with the obvious ways that authorities dont wish to dwell publicly on such possibilities and would have a bunch of plausible cover stories to fall back on instead, at least initially. But those things combined are still lacking in substance and would be hard to distinguish from any old conspiracy theory that anyone could pull out of their arse without much effort.
 
According to my Lewisham Borough Health Department card, I got a smallpox vaccine in July 1971 when I was about 18 months old.

There is a line on the card for smallpox re-vaccination at age 5 along with some other vaccinations - it's not quite clear whether I got that as well or just the ones on the line above.

I've had three, one a child, one when I joined the army and one when we first flew to Germany, there had been an outbreak in Britain.


I've had five BCGs, and a Heaf test given at 9am has gone by midday. No TB antibodies at all.
 
You may call it a conspiracy theory but I would bet that Porton Down are assessing this right now.
I didnt call it a conspiracy theory, I said that it would be hard to distinguish it from any old conspiracy theory that anyone could pull out of their arse, and that I would require at least a few more crumbs to go on before routinely going on about this possibility. I also mentioned the obvious timing/motivation that might leap readily to mind this year. As usual I try to tread the tightrope of keeping a genuinely open mind without developing my own preference for which possibility seems most plausible to me.
 
I have had at least one smallpox inoculation, I think it was before my early teens.

I got a humungous scab, to which the gauze became stuck, and then an allergic reaction [ very itchy red lumpy rash] to the zinc oxide adhesive strips ... and a large scar, as a souvenir ...
 
I've had three, one a child, one when I joined the army and one when we first flew to Germany, there had been an outbreak in Britain.


I've had five BCGs, and a Heaf test given at 9am has gone by midday. No TB antibodies at all.

Ah yes, that reminds me of the fifth broad possibility in such matters, lab/research accidents. A topic that was well worth discussing when it came to covid, and should always be on the broadest lists, but again one that I wont try to get my teeth into unless there were pointers in that direction on this occasion.
 
Not just timing and motive. There’s a first hand account of Russian development of Monkeypox as a weapon. They have had the ability for years. I think its highly unlikely but it would be foolish to dismiss this possibility. Especially in light of many people seriously concerned of Putin’s potential to use tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine. A bioweapon would a lower risk option….especially if the outbreaks can be obfuscated by exploiting a marginalised group….a group Putin and his Chechen militia have ruthlessly attacked.
 
I dont dismiss possibilities, I just dont promote them without more to go on. Things cross my mind and then its a case of keeping them in mind without ending up finding them compelling without good cause beyond a crude form of 'I can make that timing and history fit a theory neatly'.
 
Not just timing and motive. There’s a first hand account of Russian development of Monkeypox as a weapon. They have had the ability for years. I think its highly unlikely but it would be foolish to dismiss this possibility. Especially in light of many people seriously concerned of Putin’s potential to use tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine. A bioweapon would a lower risk option….especially if the outbreaks can be obfuscated by exploiting a marginalised group….a group Putin and his Chechen militia have ruthlessly attacked.

Would have made more sense to have monkey pox outbreaks in Ukraine wouldn’t it? Why Portugal?
 
Would have made more sense to have monkey pox outbreaks in Ukraine wouldn’t it? Why Portugal?

If you read the interview with the Russian bioweapons scientist post oop thread, you’ll note that the weaponisation of Monkeypox is to provide plausible deniability. If Ukraine suddenly had an outbreak of Monkeypox everyone and their dog would know the cause.

Why Portugal?


….and Magnus McGinty

 
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I believe the most likely explanation is the most straightforward one i.e. someone travelled from an area where this disease is endemic and boned promiscuous people.

These are the nations with outbreaks currently…
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The most likely link between these locations is wealth enabling travel for sexy fun times.

However, to flesh out the foul play scenario all these nations have provided military hardware that’s been slaughtering Russian soldiers en masse, destroying significant tonnes of Russian hardware and ultimately humiliating Putin who has a notorious thin skin.
 
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