Mpox - news and discussion

[lazythursday]

"theory going around on social media" - that's about as scientifically credible as the musings of a drunken baboon.

tbh I just couldn't be bothered to go and look for the original tweet, but it had links to academic papers and seemed reasonably scientifically literate, but not being a virologist I really can't judge how credible it was. It seems worth being open minded to the theory at least given the significant amount of data emerging on the different ways covid infection can affect the body.

 

[Supine]

tbh I just couldn't be bothered to go and look for the original tweet, but it had links to academic papers and seemed reasonably scientifically literate, but not being a virologist I really can't judge how credible it was. It seems worth being open minded to the theory at least given the significant amount of data emerging on the different ways covid infection can affect the body.

The immune system does get exhausted luckily! Not in any way the stories you have read mean it anyway I’d imagine. As said already, the reduction in global small pox vaccinations is almost certainly a factor.

Pretty sure I’ve had smallpox vaccine already. Not sure when they stopped being given in the U.K.

 

[Pickman's model]

The immune system does get exhausted luckily! Not in any way the stories you have read mean it anyway I’d imagine. As said already, the reduction in global small pox vaccinations is almost certainly a factor.

Pretty sure I’ve had smallpox vaccine already. Not sure when they stopped being given in the U.K.

1971

 

[elbows]

Routine mass use of it in the UK seems to have ended in 1971:

I am advised by the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation that, in view of the eradication of small pox from all but a few countries and the therefore much reduced likelihood of a case of small pox reaching Britain, the routine vaccination of children need no longer be recommended. If a small pox case were to arrive, control measures should be adequate, the advice continues, to contain the infection. The staff likely to be exposed in such an event should keep up their vaccination. Persons visiting those areas where the disease has not yet been eradicated should have been recently vaccinated.My right hon. Friends the Secretary of State for Scotland, the Secretary of State for Wales and I have accepted this advice, and our Chief Medical Officers are writing to all doctors informing them of it.This progress with the eradication of smallpox is due to the successful campaign organised by the World Health Organisation and put into effect by more than 40 countries in South America, Africa and Asia. Vaccination remains a generally safe and reliable preventive measure, to which we owe this present advance.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/1971-07-28/debates/4266de9b-1d15-4a7e-8250-0129e807ae31/Smallpox(Vaccination)

 

[Callie]

A bit of positive news, let's hope that remains the case.

What is monkeypox and how do you catch it?

Cases of monkeypox are being investigated in several countries, including the UK.

www.bbc.co.uk

How does your quote text say PHE but in the link it says UKHSA

 

[Supine]

Interesting paper. Caveats on the authors being in the industry but still decent info if interested.

The changing epidemiology of human monkeypox—A potential threat? A systematic review

Author summary Monkeypox, a zoonotic disease caused by an orthopoxvirus, results in a smallpox-like disease in humans. We conducted a systematic review to assess how monkeypox epidemiology has evolved since it was first diagnosed in 1970 in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. In total, human...

journals.plos.org

 

[Supine]

How does your quote text say PHE but in the link it says UKHSA

They changed name recently

 

[Pickman's model]

there was a curious bit in the mail today about how some drug was licensed for treatment of smallpox in 2013 but is handily also good against monkeypox. why would anyone have been developing a drug for smallpox in 2013, let alone licensing it?

 

[Callie]

They changed name recently

since Cupid stunt quoted? I was curious about the age of the article if it said PHE and therefore did not directly relate to the current situation.

Maybe they have some autocorrect feature that doesn't pick up if you c&p text

 

[Magnus McGinty]

there was a curious bit in the mail today about how some drug was licensed for treatment of smallpox in 2013 but is handily also good against monkeypox. why would anyone have been developing a drug for smallpox in 2013, let alone licensing it?

I read that the Americans don’t trust the Russians not to use it as a biological weapon. Hence they still produce vaccines.

 

[Pickman's model]

I read that the Americans don’t trust the Russians not to use it as a biological weapon. Hence they still produce vaccines.

Britain's monkeypox outbreak 'DOUBLES in size'

Nine Britons had been diagnosed with the contagious virus so far but a further 11 are set to be confirmed today.

www.dailymail.co.uk

just seemed weird to me that it would be approved for something which no one had had in the uk for many many years

 

[elbows]

since Cupid stunt quoted? I was curious about the age of the article if it said PHE and therefore did not directly relate to the current situation.

Maybe they have some autocorrect feature that doesn't pick up if you c&p text

More likely the BBC just fucked it up earlier and have since corrected that article. The transfer of responsibilities from PHE to UKHSA happened at the start of October 2021.

 

[Supine]

there was a curious bit in the mail today about how some drug was licensed for treatment of smallpox in 2013 but is handily also good against monkeypox. why would anyone have been developing a drug for smallpox in 2013, let alone licensing it?

Research has been going on for years into the vaccines needed for rare viruses. This one, Nipah, Zika and no doubt a bunch of others. Doing the prep now is one of factors needed for quick vaccine production to occur when needed, such as with sars-cov-2.

 

[2hats]

why would anyone have been developing a drug for smallpox in 2013, let alone licensing it?

Post #65.

 

[WouldBe]

OTOH this is not so positive.

Monkeypox cases in UK more than double to 20 - as WHO says summer festivals could accelerate spread of disease

Eight countries in Europe, including Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, Portugal, Spain, Sweden and the UK, have reported cases. The WHO said most are mild, but warned the disease can be more severe, especially in young children, pregnant women, and individuals who are immunocompromised.

news.sky.com

Apparently close contacts of known cases are already being offered the smallpox jab.

How is it getting confused with chicken pox? Chicken pox are small whereas the pics I've seen of monkey pox are large blisters.

 

[lazythursday]

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Britain's monkeypox outbreak 'DOUBLES in size'

Nine Britons had been diagnosed with the contagious virus so far but a further 11 are set to be confirmed today.

www.dailymail.co.uk

just seemed weird to me that it would be approved for something which no one had had in the uk for many many years

I think this might be something to do with the downsides of the original smallpox virus (which contained live virus and had bad side effects in some people) - there are new safer modified-live vaccines that have been developed just-in-case, I assume in the US, and I suppose it would be sensible to get it approved in most major markets. I guess smallpox resurgence must remain enough of a threat for this to be financially viable - eg many governments will stockpile.

 

[maomao]

How is it getting confused with chicken pox? Chicken pox are small whereas the pics I've seen of monkey pox are large blisters.

Presumably it's not presenting with identical symptoms in all patients. And media are choosing the scariest photos to accompany articles.

 

[elbows]

I guess smallpox resurgence must remain enough of a threat for this to be financially viable - eg many governments will stockpile.

Smallpox as a biological weapon is one of those fears that gets the attention of authorities from time to time, so some funding for vaccines has probably come from preparedness efforts in that regard. For example such concerns featured in the cold war at times, due to soviet weaponised stockpiles.

 

[DaphneM]

given a few hours a drunken baboon will pass out and wake sober or at worst soberish. if only the same could be said of the babbling on social media

Monkeys And Chimpanzees Are Making Their Own Wine

Turns out that just like humans, monkeys and chimpanzees like to drink alcohol in order to wind down at the end of their day.

vinepair.com

but then they get up and do it all over again

 

[Pickman's model]

Monkeys And Chimpanzees Are Making Their Own Wine

Turns out that just like humans, monkeys and chimpanzees like to drink alcohol in order to wind down at the end of their day.

vinepair.com

but then they get up and do it all over again

 

[WhyLikeThis]

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Britain's monkeypox outbreak 'DOUBLES in size'

Nine Britons had been diagnosed with the contagious virus so far but a further 11 are set to be confirmed today.

www.dailymail.co.uk

just seemed weird to me that it would be approved for something which no one had had in the uk for many many years

The threat model likely included natural and weaponised forms of Monkeypox.

…and related pox’s too.

 

[cupid_stunt]

How does your quote text say PHE but in the link it says UKHSA

They clearly edited it, after someone pointed out their error, and that PHE had been replaced by UKHSA.

 

[WhyLikeThis]

FYI I’ve put the maintained list of global infections in the first post of this thread for easy reference. Plus the WHO’s Monkeypox fact sheet.

 

[smmudge]

there was a curious bit in the mail today about how some drug was licensed for treatment of smallpox in 2013 but is handily also good against monkeypox. why would anyone have been developing a drug for smallpox in 2013, let alone licensing it?

Given how cavalier people in your office are about poison cupboard keys and -80 degrees freezers, do you really have to ask that??

 

[WhyLikeThis]

Hmm I think Fiegl Ding is a bit of a crank tbh. I would take his posts on the subject with a bit of a pinch of salt.

He does cone across a bit shrill and alarmist, doesn’t he? I think his style may be affected by the febrile politicalisation of infectious disease we’ve seen in the US recently. That or he’s an attention whore.

His creds check out mind: Biographical Summary

 

[Supine]

He does cone across a bit shrill and alarmist, doesn’t he? I think his style may be affected by the febrile politicalisation of infectious disease we’ve seen in the US recently. That or he’s an attention whore.

His creds check out mind: Biographical Summary

Best ignored

 

[Ming]

Anyone for Monkey Tennis?

 

[elbows]

Presumably it's not presenting with identical symptoms in all patients. And media are choosing the scariest photos to accompany articles.

The BBC have a better range of photos in this article, which seem to be sourced from the UKHSA.

Monkeypox: Doctors concerned over impact on sexual health

Staff at sexual health clinics warn the virus is already stretching the workforce in many places.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[friedaweed]

Can we not just keep our cocks out of exotic wildlife for one fucking decade?

Gorilla gonorrhoea

Warthog genital warts

Cichlid Chlamydia

Dirteh bastards!

 

[friedaweed]

I had shingles recently, awful bloody thing.

Itchiest arse I ever had