Motherhood and the denial of the mother

[Baronage-Phase]

I tried to join in the topic with an opinion and was condescended to by a bunch of twats

What is a girl to do?

Make chips?

 

[Maris Piper]

Make chips?

I don't want to be a fatty

 

[Baronage-Phase]

I don't want to be a fatty

Who said anything about eating them?

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Yes. I know. And I'm adding that in my mother's case I believe there was also a degree, however minimal, of determined agency in that stoppage.


ETA That's probably the wring words. I'm trying to avoid the words "hysteria" or "hysterical" for reasons that are obvious.

Not "agency", then, because there was no conscious thought going on. Her deep overwhelming antipathy to motherhood was so powerful that is was a contributing factor. I believe it. When I heard the story of my birth it made sense in the context of my knowledge and experience of her. It makes sense, given her behaviour and dysfunction in all other areas.

Apparently the modern term is conversion disorder.

My mother and her twin both present with various versions of this.

 

[editor]

I tried to join in the topic with an opinion and was condescended to by a bunch of twats

What is a girl to do?

Not write insulting shit like this: "Sorry you couldn't get to glasto and be on enough drugs to make your empty lives seem interesting xx"

 

[Pickman's model]

I tried to join in the topic with an opinion and was condescended to by a bunch of twats

What is a girl to do?

Tell the truth perhaps

Look back at your first post on the thread and you'll see you didn't join in with an opinion

 

[Maris Piper]

Who said anything about eating them?

Making food out of boredom and not eating it is mentally ill

I'd end up as one of those autistic people who have a garage full of cakes and receipts and plastic jugs full of wee

 

[Pickman's model]

You can make babies without ovaries, they did that in the 70s I think

Where's the opinion here?

 

[Baronage-Phase]

Making food out of boredom and not eating it is mentally ill

I'd end up as one of those autistic people who have a garage full of cakes and receipts and plastic jugs full of wee

Really? Making fun of autistic people?
That's vile.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

If this is going to be the level of discussion here I'm going back to delete my posts.

 

[Maris Piper]

I don't think that we can be friends anymore

 

[Maris Piper]

If this is going to be the level of discussion here I'm going back to delete my posts.

Please don't condescend to people

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't think that we can be friends anymore

It's a bold claim to suggest we ever were

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Please don't condescend to people

Eh?
Fuck off.
I've posted very hard personal stuff and the rest if the discussion is nonsense.

I'm withdrawing my personal stuff from a nonsense thread.

Please don't patronise me with your asinine assumptions. Ta

 

[Maris Piper]

Eh?
Fuck off.
I've posted very hard personal stuff and the rest if the discussion is nonsense.

I'm withdrawing my personal stuff from a nonsense thread.

Please don't patronise me with your asinine assumptions. Ta

It may be nonsense to you. But there is a certain absurd poetry to it all

 

[SheilaNaGig]

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[Baronage-Phase]

It may be nonsense to you. But there is a certain absurd poetry to it all

Wtf? You're making fun of people who have gone through massive personal pain.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Teutcher was never this self absorbed.

I thought better of my poor joke and deleted.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

I thought better of my poor joke and deleted.

I'll follow suit...

 

[Maris Piper]

Wtf? You're making fun of people who have gone through massive personal pain.

Everyone has gone through massive personal pain

 

[Baronage-Phase]

Everyone has gone through massive personal pain

In that case why make fun of someone else's?
People who have had a hard time or a difficult life often have the most empathy for others who have experienced extreme pain

 

[Clair De Lune]

If I'd known it was gonna be that kinda party I'd have stuck my dick in the mashed potato




This thread was so promising too

 

[Maris Piper]

Googling 'philosophy discussion' out of boredom and ending up in this car crash of a discussion has been a pretty traumatic experience.
You aren't the only one with problems sweetheart

 

[Steel Icarus]

Googling 'philosophy discussion' out of boredom and ending up in this car crash of a discussion has been a pretty traumatic experience.
You aren't the only one with problems sweetheart

Oh well that's fine/I don't care anymore/Nobody's twisting your arm/Here's the key/There's the door

 

[Baronage-Phase]

Googling 'philosophy discussion' out of boredom and ending up in this car crash of a discussion has been a pretty traumatic experience.
You aren't the only one with problems sweetheart

Well instead of making fun of people's real life struggles... why not communicate openly and honestly?

 

[Maris Piper]

Well instead of making fun of people's real life struggles... why not communicate openly and honestly?

I made fun of the level of discussion.

I posted a true thought that bugs me a lot, how we are just essentially cattle or germs or whatever, and the idea of motherhood is a fiction
It's possible to make a baby without a woman. Or if I am wrong about that you can definitely just get the baby once it's out and it won't know any difference.

 

[ShiftyBagLady]

Fucksake. Who forgot to lock the door at the imbecile factory?

 

[Baronage-Phase]

. Or if I am wrong about that you can definitely just get the baby once it's out and it won't know any difference.

This was done. Many babies were removed from mothers. Sent away. Given to other families. Many grew up desperately trying to find their mother.
Please stop whatever this is.

 

[Maris Piper]

This was done. Many babies were removed from mothers. Sent away. Given to other families. Many grew up desperately trying to find their mother.
Please stop whatever this is.

And it was normal in a lot of cultures for the longest time and they didn't
Europeans had wet nurses in the 19th century, Chinese and Indians too
Probably other less celebrated cultures
Babies as the centre of your life are a consumer fetish like marriage