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Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

So, it does look suspiciously like, judging by the size of the bribes said to have been paid, that there's no way on Earth that no senior figure at the NOTW wasn't aware of what was happening.

You're right. I'm sure Murdoch himself knew. The problem as always is proving it. Murdoch will have no paper trail to his door. Brooks will have - in fact, any editor will have. What we need to get Murdoch, I would think, is for one of his sacrificial lambs to turn on him.
 
Unless you have the raw figures in front off you I would advise not trusting a single statistic on revenue or readership they give you.
 
Political editor of the NOTW on the BBC just now didn't sound like someone who's out of a job. Making very sure to point out that whatever happened under "the old regime" had nothing to do with them yet at the same time making very clear that darling Rebekah wasn't to blame either and in fact that, quote, "Rupert Murdoch is one of the best employers I've ever worked for". The amount of doublespeak today is truly staggering.

That was quite an, how shall I put it, interesting interview wasn't it. It was pass the blame parcel! At one point I was willing him to say "they were just following orders!" :D Took the phrase "It wasn't me!" to a whole new plateau.
 
Unless you have the raw figures in front off you I would advise not trusting a single statistic on revenue or readership they give you.

It's entirely irrelevant anyway. Murdoch's power rests in the perception of him as an opinion-former. That perception relies on his control of the biggest selling papers in the country, regardless of how much money those papers generate.
 
That much is true. And it's kinda the point I was getting at when I said they make fuck all from selling newspapers.
 
You have GOT to be kidding. The tabloid/redtop end of the market is hugely profitable - it's their 'quality' brethren that are in financial trouble

NOTW took £700 k pw advertising pw according to stats I saw today ( seems v low ? ) , £2. m on cover price , all gross, lots of journos and hacking gizmology to pay for, lots of paper n print = peanuts in the greater scheme of things .

So , fwd to the Sun on Sunday, better developed digital strategies, and 100 % of Bsky B .

+ R Brooks till on board, and keepin schtum.
 
I'd be very surprised if Murdoch kicks off a new Sunday rag whilst BSkyB is in the balance.

The latter is worth waaay more than a few months newspaper revenue.
 
James Murdoch ORDERED that vital documents and evidence be destroyed, PERVERTED the course of justice, COVERED UP the criminal activity, and Rebekah Brooks knew it too.

Jail the cunts, or this will get worse.

Shutting down one newspaper changes nothing.

Let's hope the police save face by making these arrests, because they are just as culpable.

It'll look worse if they're found to have helped criminals evade justice in a month or two, because one way or another the truth will out, even if that truth has to be stolen from News International's servers and distributed via Wikileaks or some such site.

Trust me, this is not over by a long stretch.
 
"Just lost my job on the News of the World. Absolutely devastated that a talented group of people are suffering right now," tweeted Tina Campanella, a news reporter at the paper, roughly half an hour after it emerged this afternoon that this Sunday's edition of her paper would be the last.

Tom Latchem, the TV editor summed it up thus: "Thanks for all your kind words all – we will all survive, nobody died. Viva NOTW!!" Another senior staff member, Rachel Richardson, editor of the Fabulous magazine supplement, wrote: "Feeling pretty numb right now but wanted to say long live @Fabulousmag. The best mag team in Fleet Street. Fact."

Others rounded on the Twitter hordes rejoicing at the paper's demise. Ian Hyland, a columnist, entered into a somewhat bruising tweet exchange with the comedian Rufus Hound. It ended with Hyland labelling his opponent a "right tit".

Outsiders piled in to make similar points, one freelance journalist noting: "My mate with 4 kids, not a hacker, honest journo, now lost his job, shame on the bosses at #NOTW." He added, in a sentiment not publicly expressed by the paper's staff but surely shared by many: "But at least Rebekah Brooks has still got her job, Jesus!!!!"

Before James Murdoch's shock announcement the tone was very different. Hyland tweeted to insist his paper was now a different beast : "I joined at the end of the old regime. the difference now is immeasurable. people can believe that or not."

It was a sentiment echoed around the same time by the political editor, David Wooding: "Horrified by what happened. Ashamed of those who did it. But proud of my own record – and those who work for NotW now."

The showbusiness editor, Dan Wootton, went further, posting a longer personal statement for Twitter followers: "What I have to stress to you is this: I do NOT work for the newspaper you are reading about. The vast majority of my colleagues, including journalists and management, were not working on this newspaper during those years. There is a new regime in place here."

Following news of the closure there was understandable sympathy at fellow News International publications. "Now I am crying. sobbing. OMG. I cannot believe what I have just read in my inbox. oh it is so sad", was the Twitter response of the Times's much-followed religion correspondent, Ruth Gledhill.

"Heartfelt condolences to anyone at #notw who's just become unemployed. Very very sad," wrote India Knight, a Sunday Times columnist, adding: "As for 'victory for people power' – yeah, well done on making hundreds of people lose their jobs. *MASSIVE EYEROLL*"

As the news sunk in, the first glimpses of grim humour emerged. Hyland tweeted a friend: "I've put a call in at the Guardian already. fingers crossed eh?"

Meanwhile, a press pack and TV crews have gathered outside the gates of News International in Wapping but there were few comings and goings by just after 6pm.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/07/news-of-the-world-closure-twitter-row
 
Firstly, it'll not be the Sunday Sun - that title is taken already by a regional title [owed by the Mirror group] in Newcastle.

Secondly, the logistics of bringing out the 'Sun on Sunday', using both the existing Sun team and former NOWT staff would be piss easy to do. In fact, I would be very surprised if an edition of the Sun doesn't appear on Sunday week, why let 2.6 million sales drift off elsewhere?

Finally, hang on a minute, I remember reading something recently about plans to combine the newsrooms & editorial resources of the two rags to save costs anyway, so isn't this move somewhat convenience in moving that forward without the need for negotiations?

ETA - the bit I've bolded has just been mentioned by some chap, missed who it was, being interviewed on BBC News24


Yeah, soz. think you mentioned that Sunday Sun earlier. OK if it's gonna be more like a merger of editorial staff, than creating a new title. This could all easily fizzle out if the wider links aren't continually pointed out.
 
Sacked via email LOL not even deemed worthy enough for Brooks or James Murdoch to pay a personal visit.

Spineless cunts. This is perfect.
 
I've had one job working for the daily/weekly press, and I was sacked from that by email too. By a bloke sat about 5 metres away from me. Seems to be the done thing.
 
Newsroom consolidation is no particular big deal. Alot of titles have been re-orged over the last few years to reduce costs.
 
"Heartfelt condolences to anyone at #notw who's just become unemployed. Very very sad," wrote India Knight, a Sunday Times columnist, adding: "As for 'victory for people power' – yeah, well done on making hundreds of people lose their jobs. *MASSIVE EYEROLL*"

Eh? Doesn't she realise that lots of people have lost/are losing their jobs at the moment and the majority of them not because their management are as disgusting as those at the NOTW....oh yeah...those others are not 'people' worthy of empathy are they. According to the pages of the NOTW and alike they are slack/layabouts/benefit scoungers... *Even bigger rolleye!*

Instead of holding the management up to account, blame the people who want the management to answer for this?
 
Newsroom consolidation is no particular big deal. Alot of titles have been re-orged over the last few years to reduce costs.

Anyway, that's not what this is. Even a month without a Sunday title will hurt NI enormously. Politicians might start to learn to say things without their permission. Their power will start to evaporate very quickly, and it won't be easy to get back.
 
Eh? Doesn't she realise that lots of people have lost/are losing their jobs at the moment and the majority of them not because their management are as disgusting as those at the NOTW....oh yeah...those others are not 'people' worthy of empathy are they. According to the pages of the NOTW and alike they are slack/layabouts/benefit scoungers... *Even bigger rolleye!*

Instead of holding the management up to account, blame the people who want the management to answer for this?

Also, it's fucking rich of anyone working for News International to play the victim "look what you have done" card now. A) It's their own fucking management who culled their jobs, not us. B) chances are the majority of current NOTW staff will either get taken on by the successor paper, or at least get a good payout, and C) good staff should hopefully find a new job quickly enough
 
India Knight, you say??

Yeah, coz it's not their fault they worked in a newsroom where phonetapping messages was considered the norm.

I'm glad they're out of a job. Maybe next time they'll pick an employer with integrity.

Maybe India Knight should direct her rage at the fucking management, for dropping what were arguably in some cases perfectly honest staff who knew nothing. Anyway - let's hope she is next.

Keep an eye on these Twitters and statements, they will be good to collect and keep.
 
You're right. I'm sure Murdoch himself knew. The problem as always is proving it. Murdoch will have no paper trail to his door. Brooks will have - in fact, any editor will have. What we need to get Murdoch, I would think, is for one of his sacrificial lambs to turn on him.

That's increasingly the way that cops manage to bring down groups of crooks nowadays. They get a couple of small-fry, let them know that they've been caught bang to rights and then lean on them while perhaps offering a deal to go easy on them in return for their testimony the same way as an angler will use a small fish as bait to catch a big one. If Paddick's claims about police officers accepting bribes for confidential information are correct then that would be a good place to start as one thing bent coppers fear more than anything else is ending up doing porridge themselves.
 
I'd be very surprised if Murdoch kicks off a new Sunday rag whilst BSkyB is in the balance.

It'll not be a *new* Sunday rag, just an existing rag extending publication to 7-days a week. ;)

At the end of the day, Murdoch had two strong brands that were not in direct competition, one went bad, the only logical thing to do is drop that brand and extend the other to fill the gap.

Especially, as plans were already under way to combine them, all but in name/brand, anyway.

Although I suspect that's [or was] the plan, the growing coverage about such a move being well dodgy may change their mind.

I honestly think the chances of Murdoch taking full control of Sky is over anyway now, this shit is going to continue on for years.
 
Anyway, that's not what this is. Even a month without a Sunday title will hurt NI enormously. Politicians might start to learn to say things without their permission. Their power will start to evaporate very quickly, and it won't be easy to get back.

Small beer compared with BSkyB.
 
Hatred of Murdoch and his organsiation is rooted in hatred of what it has done to its many many victims over the past 30+ years. Direcetly - as in the case of the Hillsborough dead and the families of murdred kids - and indirecitly in its role as cheerleader in chief for all the nastiest poliies and hate campaigns since the 80s - campaings and policies that have created uncountable victims from the smashed communities of Thatchers wrecking ball, to refugees, immigrants and gay people beaten up, to the demonsiation of the poor and disabled to the 100s of thousands of corpses in Iraq.

well said
 
Presumably we should do some rebranding to match murdoch's, from now on: 'News International hacked into voicemail of Milly Dowler and 7/7 victims, bribed police, etc. etc.'
 
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