Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[agricola]

Unfortunately the latest edition hit the streets yesterday. Might have been timed to spite them

It will give all the disappeared of Wapping a lot of time to pass over all the dirt though.

 

[Kizmet]

Due to the hypocrisy perhaps ?

Can't be. Hypocrisy sells faster than tits.

 

[Divisive Cotton]

have I got news for you might be actually worth watching tomorrow

 

[Pickman's model]

Unfortunately the latest edition hit the streets yesterday: next is in a fortnight. Might have been timed to spite them

probably was

 

[laptop]

It will give all the disappeared of Wapping a lot of time to pass over all the dirt though.

Oh, I do hope so.

 

[ThirtyFootSmurf]

good to see a decent first post - have a hobnob etc

Ta

Good points. I've not read latest but I'd think the Sunday Sun might be a while before appearing wouldn't it? Aside the lagistics. They'll be a period of brand detoxification through the Daily Sun, once these initial couple of weeks are through. They'll set up advertising contracts again for the Sunday Sun, after a bit and they'll ease back in with,tales of new staff, new ethical standards, lessons learned etc. Whilst a few, maybe Brooks, get thrown to the courts or the wind. And Subjudicy taking care of any detailed public comments there after. the rug is pulled back over the whole wriving mound of thilf and the system at large goes on, relatively unscathed.

So I fear.

And hello BTW.

I would be surprised if they didn't have an NI Sunday tabloid out by the end of the month. No chance in hell Murdoch's gonna let 2.3 million loyal customers wander off to the competition, lest they like it. Oh, the new paper will feature some new names and of course they will be contrite like shit for a while, but give it a month or so and it'll be business as usual as far as NI is concerned.

 

[ruffneck23]

Can't be. Hypocrisy sells faster than tits.

Fair point (((((((tits))))))

 

[weltweit]

Well, that was certainly decisive.

160 odd years in print, what a bad / sad way to close.

But will it be enough to get the BskyB Takeover approved?

BTW: Hugh Grant is on Question Time tonight.

 

[ericjarvis]

Just pointing out the ramifications of your bully boy tactics.

No you aren't. You seem to be completely incapable of understanding even the basics of the situation, so in fact you are simply generating pointless and irrational comment.

Firstly. Nobody is suggesting we should boycott ALL shops. That would be somewhat difficult verging on impossible anyway. So the overall amount of shopping we do will be the same, requiring the same total number of check out assistants, store cleaners, and shelf fillers. It's just that we want them to be working for somebody other than Tesco.

Secondly it isn't bully boy tactics. This is the same shit that gets pulled every time ordinary people attempt to act collectively against the interests of the wealthy and powerful. Fuck them. They employ more than enough of the same tactics against the rest of us, and plenty worse. As consumers we have the right to decide what we consume and where we purchase it or there is no basis on which capitalism can possibly work. We have the right to communicate and confer with others about those choices. We have the right to come to collective conclusions and act on them. Where it would become a problem would be if anyone was suggesting beating people up if they shopped at Tesco. Nobody is even suggesting peaceful picketing of Tesco, so it's not bully boy tactics even in the very vaguest sense of the word, it's simply the free market biting back at the people who think it's supposed to only operate in their interests.

There are reasonable and logical objections to what I'm saying, but they ALL require a belief that a capitalist free market economy is an inherently bad thing.

 

[pk]

watching BBC News24 and am very pleased to see that cynicism isn't dead. so far they have had the father of a dead soldier, the deputy culture secretary, and Max Fucking Clifford, saying that should this be just a rebranding exercise it (i.e. a "Sun on Sunday") will and must fail.

also, won't Tesco et al who hadn't pulled their ads from Sunday's edition feel like the fucking cunts they are now?

that said, pressure on NI, their advertisers, buyers, and first and foremost rebekah teflon brooks shouldn't let up now, if anything it has to increase. i don't generally "do" moral outrage, but the fucking spunk chumps who were responsible for this need to be put out of business and dragged before the courts.

worst though, NI may well still come out of this smelling of roses, BSkyB share price plummeting, so they can buy their 69% at bargain basement prices, consolidating their print products into just the Sun, thereby saving salaries, and get revenue from the now-to-be-established sun paywall, etc.

(ah also... first post. 'ullo! )

Nice one, & welcome to the urban jungle!

 

[Kizmet]

Ta



I would be surprised if they didn't have an NI Sunday tabloid out by the end of the month. No chance in hell Murdoch's gonna let 2.3 million loyal customers wander off to the competition, lest they like it. Oh, the new paper will feature some new names and of course they will be contrite like shit for a while, but give it a month or so and it'll be business as usual as far as NI is concerned.

They make fuck all from newspapers.

 

[agricola]

James Murdoch has just (on Sky) claimed that the reason why the investigation was reopened earlier this year was because of NI proactively releasing documents. I shit you not.

 

[ThirtyFootSmurf]

They make fuck all from newspapers.

Really, do they?

Then again it's not only about revenue, is it? It's about control of the political scene. And for that you need to have a paper out.

Also, the staff at the Times may start feeling a bit chilly now, what with the NOTW essentially paying to keep their title in print.

 

[strung out]

fry and laurie's sketch on a world without News International...

 

[pk]

James Murdoch has just (on Sky) claimed that the reason why the investigation was reopened earlier this year was because of NI proactively releasing documents. I shit you not.

Lying cunt, like his old man.

 

[London_Calling]

He's a fantastic piece of work. Son of his father.

 

[weltweit]

Who expected this?

Be honest.

 

[Voley]

I didn't think it'd go this far, no.

 

[agricola]

Lying cunt, like his old man.

His old man is a much better teller of fibs, judging by some of the nonsense James has spouted in this interview. He appears to be arguing that the reason they have done all of this is because they wanted to expose what had gone on.

edit: he has just come out with an absolute peach, boasting of how his company treats its people and its customers with respect. This is on the same day as he has just sacked more than 200 people, with no notice, live on TV.

 

[gabi]

They make fuck all from newspapers.

Eh? the sun and NoW are hugely profitable or so i thought?

 

[ericjarvis]

NUJ statement - http://www.nuj.org.uk/innerPagenuj.html?docid=2152

Sorry, but NUJ members have long been complicit in this and many other scandals caused by journalists, editors, and publishers acting with absolutely no ethics. Unless the NUJ makes some effort to show that it accepts that many of it's members have acted wrongly, and makes at least some show of warning managements that they should not be able to force journalists to behave unethically, then I have no sympathy.

If I saw evidence that most journalists actually deplore this sort of thing then I'd feel differently, at the moment what I see is mostly embarassed silence. That's not good enough.

The NUJ shouldn't simply be bleating about Murdoch and his senior management. They have to be laying down markers about what their membership can be expected to do in future at any publication.

When a newsroom is exposed as completely corrupt it's the journalists that suffer. The management will simply walk away and start again. There are other publications just as ripe for "taking down" in the court of public opinion. The NUJ shouldn't simply be hoping that it will all calm down and be business as usual again. That's not fair to their members working for other publications that may suffer the same fate.

British journalism needs to be cleaned up. Not just the News Of The Screws.

 

[claphamboy]

Good points. I've not read latest but I'd think the Sunday Sun might be a while before appearing wouldn't it? Aside the lagistics.

Firstly, it'll not be the Sunday Sun - that title is taken already by a regional title [owed by the Mirror group] in Newcastle.

Secondly, the logistics of bringing out the 'Sun on Sunday', using both the existing Sun team and former NOWT staff would be piss easy to do. In fact, I would be very surprised if an edition of the Sun doesn't appear on Sunday week, why let 2.6 million sales drift off elsewhere?

Finally, hang on a minute, I remember reading something recently about plans to combine the newsrooms & editorial resources of the two rags to save costs anyway, so isn't this move somewhat convenience in moving that forward without the need for negotiations?

ETA - the bit I've bolded has just been mentioned by some chap, missed who it was, being interviewed on BBC News24

 

[laptop]

Sorry, but NUJ members have long been complicit in this and many other scandals caused by journalists, editors, and publishers

Some may have.

But there were, as I said above, very, very few NUJ members in Wapping.

More at the Mail - but, as I understand it, more on the sub-editing side.

 

[agricola]

NOTW staff on Sky now, reporting that Brooks offered to resign last night.

 

[Bakunin]

Hmmm, it seems that the shit just got a great deal deeper and smellier if a certain Mr. Paddick is right about what he's saying:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...upert-Murdochs-links-criminal-underworld.html

 

[paolo]

So, Brooks still AWOL in any official capacity.

Maybe they're going to keep her out of the way and play wait and see with the investigation / public inquiry. With one finger always on the eject button.

 

[rollinder]

Benjamin Cohen (channel 4 news) on twitter "A relatively informed source told me a new NI publication might be called the SunDay. They own sunday.co.Uk already #notw" http://twitter.com/#!/benjamincohen

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Hmmm, it seems that the shit just got a great deal deeper and smellier if a certain Mr. Paddick is right about what he's saying:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...upert-Murdochs-links-criminal-underworld.html

We all know this must happen - how else would the papers get hold of the stories they get hold of. But it's the proof that has been lacking. This needs not to be confined to the NOTW, which is surely what NI are trying to do. It needs to be spread at least to the Sun but further if possible - to the Times, anyone.

 

[WWWeed]

dunno if anyone has seen it but the register published the email from james murdoch to the NOFW staff:

I have important things to say about the News of the World and the steps we are taking to address the very serious problems that have occurred.

It is only right that you as colleagues at News International are first to hear what I have to say and that you hear it directly from me. So thank you very much for coming here and listening.

You do not need to be told that the News of the World is 168 years old. That it is read by more people than any other English language newspaper. That it has enjoyed support from Britain's largest advertisers. And that it has a proud history of fighting crime, exposing wrong-doing and regularly setting the news agenda for the nation.

When I tell people why I am proud to be part of News Corporation, I say that our commitment to journalism and a free press is one of the things that sets us apart. Your work is a credit to this.

"The good things the News of the World does, however, have been sullied by behaviour that was wrong. Indeed, if recent allegations are true, it was inhuman and has no place in our company.

The News of the World is in the business of holding others to account. But it failed when it came to itself.

In 2006, the police focused their investigations on two men. Both went to jail. But the News of the World and News International failed to get to the bottom of repeated wrongdoing that occurred without conscience or legitimate purpose.

Wrongdoers turned a good newsroom bad and this was not fully understood or adequately pursued.

As a result, the News of the World and News International wrongly maintained that these issues were confined to one reporter. We now have voluntarily given evidence to the police that I believe will prove that this was untrue and those who acted wrongly will have to face the consequences.

"This was not the only fault. The paper made statements to Parliament without being in the full possession of the facts.

This was wrong.

The Company paid out-of-court settlements approved by me. I now know that I did not have a complete picture when I did so. This was wrong and is a matter of serious regret. Currently, there are two major and ongoing police investigations. We are cooperating fully and actively with both. You know that it was News International who voluntarily brought evidence that led to opening Operation Weeting and Operation Elveden. This full cooperation will continue until the police's work is done. We have also admitted liability in civil cases. Already, we have settled a number of prominent cases and set up a Compensation Scheme, with cases to be adjudicated by former High Court judge Sir Charles Gray. Apologising and making amends is the right thing to do. Inside the company, we set up a Management and Standards Committee that is working on these issues and that has hired Olswang to examine past failings and recommend systems and practices that over time should become standards for the industry. We have committed to publishing Olswang's terms of reference and eventual recommendations in a way that is open and transparent.

We have welcomed broad public inquiries into press standards and police practices and will cooperate with them fully. So, just as I acknowledge we have made mistakes, I hope you and everyone inside and outside the company will acknowledge that we are doing our utmost to fix them, atone for them, and make sure they never happen again.

Having consulted senior colleagues, I have decided that we must take further decisive action with respect to the paper. This Sunday will be the last issue of the News of the World. Colin Myler will edit the final edition of the paper. In addition, I have decided that all of the News of the World's revenue this weekend will go to good causes. While we may never be able to make up for distress that has been caused, the right thing to do is for every penny of the circulation revenue we receive this weekend to go to organisations – many of whom are long-term friends and partners – that improve life in Britain and are devoted to treating others with dignity. We will run no commercial advertisements this weekend. Any advertising space in this last edition will be donated to causes and charities that wish to expose their good works to our millions of readers. These are strong measures. They are made humbly and out of respect. I am convinced they are the right thing to do. Many of you, if not the vast majority of you, are either new to the company or have had no connection to the News of the World during the years when egregious behaviour occurred.

I can understand how unfair these decisions may feel, particularly for colleagues who will leave the company. Of course, we will communicate next steps in detail and begin appropriate consultations. You may see these changes as a price loyal staff at the News of the World are paying for the transgressions of others. So please hear me when I say that your good work is a credit to journalism. I do not want the legitimacy of what you do to be compromised by acts of others. I want all journalism at News International to be beyond reproach. I insist that this organisation lives up to the standard of behaviour we expect of others.

And, finally, I want you all to know that it is critical that the integrity of every journalist who has played fairly is restored. Thank you for listening.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

What the fuck has Brooks got on Murdoch?