Doing a TV show on Sky too isn't he?
Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"
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Doing a TV show on Sky too isn't he?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yep.
This makes sense to me .....
barney_pig
Po-cha-na-quar-hip
The frenzy of the journalists on every media is quite amusing, the mild nudging of Leverson toward some sort of overview of their excesses are being written as the embodiment of Orwellian dystopia
gosub
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I wouldn't bother, the Guardian ended up apologising over that story. Far better to try and keep it real and leave the hysteria to the likes of Dacre.
ITN is an OFCOM regulated news agency, as is SkyNews. I don't think Pravda when watching either of them
when's the last time tv news broke a major political scandal (without fucking it up mcalpine style)?
not sure what you mean, your link just pointed to cash for access
the major scandals, phone hacking and mps expenses were both broken by the press, as are most big stories as well as the day to day nit picking that neither bbc, itv or even channel 4 ever goes near
the rules on balance as well as the threat of ofcom means tv news is far tamer than newspapers and this culture being inflicted on all journalism, including the net, is a gift to power
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Phone hacking (and the rest) was a scandal that the worst elements of the press were largely responsible for themselves, and MPs expenses was a scandal that was ignored by the lobby for years (the fate of Elizabeth Filkin for instance went almost unremarked except for one or two hacks) until Heather Brooke started sending in FOI requests, and someone sold the truth to the Torygraph.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
So the argument that press regulation might lead to them uncovering less major political scandals than they do now might not stand up to that much scrutiny.
gosub
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if you had bothered putting UK political scandals into google the wiki page which has the link to the answer to the question you specifically asked as well as the other bits .
The biggest threat to journalism is the quest for immediacy, press would be well advised to leave broadcast showing helicopter shots of something that might happen and sit, and think before publishing. Leave instant vaguary to twitter. Considerate and reliable journalism could be thriving now the internet has increased the potential market place to over a billion English speakers. or stick with Dacre on his rear guard action to defend a press with its benchmark of no less reliable than a bloke down the pub-great benchmark in a global market place.
I say rear guard I notice both the labour lead petition (which will harvest data for the Labour paty) mentions Milly Dowler and Hacked Off even cites the Guardian article 4/7/11 though the clarification 12/12/11 isn't cited whilst the UK gov petition langishes below 4800. It wont be on the back foot for long
The biggest threat to journalism is the quest for immediacy, press would be well advised to leave broadcast showing helicopter shots of something that might happen and sit, and think before publishing. Leave instant vaguary to twitter. Considerate and reliable journalism could be thriving now the internet has increased the potential market place to over a billion English speakers. or stick with Dacre on his rear guard action to defend a press with its benchmark of no less reliable than a bloke down the pub-great benchmark in a global market place.
I say rear guard I notice both the labour lead petition (which will harvest data for the Labour paty) mentions Milly Dowler and Hacked Off even cites the Guardian article 4/7/11 though the clarification 12/12/11 isn't cited whilst the UK gov petition langishes below 4800. It wont be on the back foot for long
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
I think the problem with this is that a large section of the Press recognize that Dacre's business model is their own, and that they would go bust if they suddenly started telling the truth, or filled the paper with actual news rather than churnalism of the kind that Nick Davies identified.
the only way that argument can be truly tested is by introducing regulation. is that where we're it - this might lead to less press investigations, but it might not, lets go ahead and see
this despite the UK having some of the strictest libel laws in the world, ever increasing privacy legislation, a huge amount of state secrecy and kids being put in jail for saying silly things on facebook - and you want more
no surprise, you're power's best mate
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
er - no.
The point I was making is that the press shouldnt really cite recent political scandals - whether its phone hacking, MPs expenses, Saville or whatever - as examples of work they would be prevented from doing if there was regulation because (a) theres plenty of evidence that they have known about almost all of the recent scandals and did nothing (or at best, very little) about it, and (b) the way most of the Press is run nowadays means that they arent likely to be that bothered about actual political scandals (ie: stuff like tax avoidance, privatizations that lose the taxpayer huge amounts of money, corruption etc rather than who is shagging whom) because its easier and more profitable to print stories about how short Alesha Dixon's skirt is.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Not sure the Leveson proposals would have any effect - but if there was an effective method of resolving complaints (whether statutory or not), combined with actual enforcement of the legislation already on the statue book, it would prevent many of the worst abuses that have gone on whilst leaving actual journalism (ie: those few hacks who actually do what Dacre pretends that the rest of the press does) untouched.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Surely the evidence of the past two years would suggest that actual enforcement of the law as it exists has prevented many abuses of the kind that were rife a few years ago?
gosub
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wtf What next a homosayswhat defense? Power is spread through many institutions within the UK, it has been spreading out since 1215. The media has been known as the Fourth Estate since 1787, because of their power . That they have hibitually abused it, breaking criminal laws, for which they will go to jail. But they have also tarnished their statndards to the point, that in the relation to phone hacking the PCC demanded the Guardian print an apology for even suggesting it was going on. This while being in the "last chance salon" after the sixth enquiry in in six decades into how they conduct themselves. Their reaction to the latest enquiry is almost "how very much dare you!"
The press has power. They have abused it, repaetedly. There needs to be change. And the only ones who seem to have any confidence that change can be handled by the press, are the press.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Because there are always going to be issues that dont attract civil or criminal sanction (or which the victim isnt able to seek legal redress because of the cost), but for which the papers should be held to account, or at least have it pointed out to them that their behaviour is unacceptable. Stuff like unwanted harrassment of victims (or friends/family of victims) of crime, for instance, or deliberate misrepresentation of views/facts in order to sex up stories.
The PCC is meant to do this, but - as should be obvious - it doesnt.
so you think the government should?
I've said I agree with widening access to legal redress through legal aid and increased support, but none of this is about the law
yet its the police who didnt take phone hacking seriously, the police and government who were cosy with murdochs lot, and the government who preside over a legal system of redress that is unaffordable for most people
this is what gives the press the power to act in the way they do. regulation will strengthen those relationships.
and who are the press, should every media outlet now have to bow down before the state because murdoch broke the law and the daily mail is sometimes horrible to people?
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
gosub
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Topsy turvey bollocks I cant be asrsed to take a part.
WHAT WOULD THE PRESS HAVE TO DO FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THEM OUT OF CONTROL?
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