Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[Pickman's model]

Oh this is interesting ...

(my emphasis)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...tor-linked-to-news-international-2333257.html

I've wondered if the corrupt collusion between the cops, the political right and the Murdoch press also extended to the security services ...

It certainly seems to have been the case with the far-right, the gutter press and the secret police in Italy for example, so I think it's worth keeping an eye on this aspect.

yeh, the security service and the secret intelligence service - not to mention special branch and gchq - have been the fucking elephants in the room

 

[Streathamite]

there is no public interest defence for hacking

what about when it exposes wrongdoing - especially of the criminal type - by wealthy powerful individuals, public servants or our elected representatives?

 

[belboid]

what about when it exposes wrongdoing - especially of the criminal type - by wealthy powerful individuals, public servants or our elected representatives?

You cannot claim a 'public interest' defence for it, like you could with, say hiring a private investigator to break the data protection laws. IN a hacking case, a amgistrate would rule it inadmissable, and you'd lose, so you'd choose a jury trial, wher the judge would still say there is no such defence, but it would be up to the jury to actually decide - as, essentially, happened with Clive Ponting.

 

[Streathamite]

You cannot claim a 'public interest' defence for it, like you could with, say hiring a private investigator to break the data protection laws. IN a hacking case, a amgistrate would rule it inadmissable, and you'd lose, so you'd choose a jury trial, wher the judge would still say there is no such defence, but it would be up to the jury to actually decide - as, essentially, happened with Clive Ponting.

ah right, with you know, ta for putting me right, bellers

 

[Santino]

Another arrest being reported on Twitter - 61 year old man.

 

[Streathamite]

Sky News reckon it's Greg Miskiw; if so that's a bloody big scalp

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Sky News reckon it's Greg Miskiw; if so that's a bloody big scalp

BBC saying the same ...

 

[Streathamite]

christ, that vision of edmondson, Miskiw, Coulson, Wallis, thurlbeck, Wetherup AND Brooks - all in the dock....oh sweet jesus let it happen

 

[Streathamite]

blimey! Now dick Fedorcio, the Met's press chief, has been sent on 'extended leave'!
jesus, it's the gift that just keeps on giving

 

[laptop]

"Will the last person to leave Wapping turn out the lights?"

 

[stavros]

christ, that vision of edmondson, Miskiw, Coulson, Wallis, thurlbeck, Wetherup AND Brooks - all in the dock....oh sweet jesus let it happen

Add the Digger and son and that would be utopia.

 

[two sheds]

I think we're all getting a bit hopeful here. Even if they come to trial and their phenomenally clever and highly paid barristers don't get them off, I think any judge is going to say that these poor people have suffered enough because they have lost their reputations, and that really hurts the rich and powerful.

 

[Streathamite]

I think we're all getting a bit hopeful here. Even if they come to trial and their phenomenally clever and highly paid barristers don't get them off, I think any judge is going to say that these poor people have suffered enough because they have lost their reputations, and that really hurts the rich and powerful.

yeah, but I can dream

 

[laptop]

I don't think they'll get as long a sentence as if they'd nicked a flat-screen TV on Monday.

But I think judges are as aware of public outrage with the hacking case as with the looting - those convicted have to go down for a bit.

 

[two sheds]

I don't think they'll get as long a sentence as if they'd nicked a flat-screen TV on Monday.

But I think judges are as aware of public outrage with the hacking case as with the looting - those convicted have to go down for a bit.

One or two token convictions only though, I'd have thought. Like the MPs' expenses - plenty of them defrauded the taxpayers (guilty of 'false accounting' my word there's a euphemism up there with 'pension mis-selling') but only a couple went down, and they got much much shorter sentences than people overclaiming benefits.

 

[Streathamite]

and Now Simon Hughes is suing

 

[mack]

Tom Watson has some dynamite documents in his hand that can't be released, has to go before the committee and be voted on. He votes yes!

http://twitter.com/#!/tom_watson

 

[8den]

Bollocks. That twat who pied Murdoch has a pretty funny blog about being in prison.

http://anarchish.blogspot.com/

I'll have to revise my prejudices, again.

 

[butchersapron]

Keep your eyes on this one today.

MPs have been sent documents that appear to cast doubt on James Murdoch's evidence that he was unaware of wider hacking at the News Of The World (NOTW), according to Sky sources.

 

[butchersapron]

And these docs are being published at 12.59 according to Watson.

 

[butchersapron]

How very coincidental. Peston is magically back on the case in the last few minutes.

 

[Maggot]

Nick Davies is tweeting that there will be new revelations appearing on the Gurdian website at 1pm.

 

[belboid]

up already - http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/aug/16/phone-hacking-now-reporter-letter

"In the letter, which was written four years ago but published only on Tuesday, Goodman claims that phone hacking was "widely discussed" at editorial meetings at the paper until Coulson himself banned further references to it; that Coulson offered to let him keep his job if he agreed not to implicate the paper in hacking when he came to court; and that his own hacking was carried out with "the full knowledge and support" of other senior journalists, whom he named.

<snip>

And they confront Rupert and James Murdoch with the humiliating prospect of being recalled to parliament to justify the evidence which they gave last month on the aftermath of Goodman's allegations. In a separate letter, one of the Murdochs' own law firms claim that parts of that evidence were variously "hard to credit", "self-serving" and "inaccurate and misleading

 

[laptop]

up already - http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/aug/16/phone-hacking-now-reporter-letter

But is that the whole of this tranche:

Mr Whittingdale said the committee was publishing evidence later on Tuesday which appeared to contradict some of what they were told.
Tom Watson MP, another member of the committee, said it would also publishing documents at 13.00 BST which he predicted would raise fresh questions for News International.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14541848

:drums fingers on desk:

 

[belboid]

I hope not, even tho its probly enough to sink Jimmy anyway

 

[Lord Camomile]

But is that the whole of this tranche

From the Guardian live coverage:

Watson reiterates that the new evidence is "devastating". He refers to fresh evidence in relation to former News of the World royal editor Clive Goodman.

Hope it's not all, but does reference Goodman specifically.

 

[butchersapron]

Here it all is.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

In the letter, which was written four years ago but published only on Tuesday, Goodman claims that phone hacking was "widely discussed" at editorial meetings at the paper until Coulson himself banned further references to it; that Coulson offered to let him keep his job if he agreed not to implicate the paper in hacking when he came to court; and that his own hacking was carried out with "the full knowledge and support" of other senior journalists, whom he named.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/aug/16/phone-hacking-now-reporter-letter

 

[butchersapron]

Coulsen asked Goodman to commit perjury in short. He is fucked.

 

[two sheds]

And from the Guardian piece:

"... MP Tom Watson, said Goodman's letter was "absolutely devastating". He said: "Clive Goodman's letter is the most significant piece of evidence that has been revealed so far. It completely removes News International's defence. This is one of the largest cover-ups I have seen in my lifetime."

Ooooh, tut.