Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[gavman]

According to this the goat was traditionally driven into the wilderness.

'And the Goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a Land not inhabited.' (Leviticus XVI, 22)

leviticus is truly a source of wisdom

 

[weltweit]

To be fair, you didn't need to hack analogue cell-phones, you just needed a scanner capable of scanning the necessary bands. .....

I heard (somewhere) that there is a device on the market for listening in to digital mobiles. It is illegal to use it and it is quite expensive, so not for everyone, but I understand it goes into a cell and replicates a mobile mast, somehow gaining the ability to listen in to anyone who is in the same cell.

I have no idea who would want to use it but it is likely to exist, certainly the security services themselves would never (and did not) permit us a communications technology that they could not eavesdrop into, hence GSM phones are not as secure as would have been possible.

 

[gavman]

on Newsnight last night they had a panel of 'undecided voters' and quizzed them about murdoch, hacking, the politicians response, the mass media, etc, to say they were not engaged, animated by the issues, etc would be an understatement, Paxo looked very embarassed at the bored faces, either they are just apolitical people happy to be on TV, on any programme or the general public is not as exercised by the scandals as we and the media are...

another newsnight epic fail. don't inform us what the news is, but ask us instead

 

[gavman]

How? I thought only UK subjects could be forced to attend.

parliament is a court, so if they are accused or law breaking in this country they can be compelled...in theory

 

[moochedit]

Sorry if this has been covered as i've not read all the thread, but when the murdoch's and rebecca thingy give evidence to the parliamentary committee, is it under oath like in court ?
in other words, can they get done for perjury if they lie (and later get caught out) ?

 

[two sheds]

Investors tell [James] Murdoch to quit as Sky chairman

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-murdoch-to-quit-as-sky-chairman-2313968.html

Last year, Pirc questioned the independence of seven of the 16 directors on Sky's board. It added yesterday that News Corp also faced "considerable governance questions" and rated it in the worst 5 per cent of S&P 500 companies.

In the US, corporate governance campaigners are stepping up the pressure for reform of the News Corp board, which the Corporate Library, an activist group, grades at an F for corporate governance risk because too many directors are in thrall to Mr Murdoch.

A critical shareholder motion at last year's annual meeting pointed out that seven board members had spent more than 14 years in their posts, five were former News Corp employees and three more had relationships with the company that could compromise their independence. As a result of critical reports from governance advisers, a majority of the board typically receive protest votes against their election from about a quarter of shareholders.

...

Shares in both companies continued to slide yesterday, with BSkyB falling 9.5p to 696p and News Corp losing 3 per cent to end at $15.44 in New York.

And elsewhere in the Independent ... "James Murdoch paid £100,000 to meet Pope"

 

[gavman]

I imagine Brooks and Murdoch father and son will already be swotting up the answers they can give to the select committee on Tuesday with their legal team.

If you were Keith Vaz, what questions would you ask Rupert Rebekah and James?

'do you think my accent sounds contrived?'

 

[teqniq]

Martin Rawson:

 

[ymu]

LC at least posted a link in relation to his post.

Sorry, but what exactly is is about "Some pisshead posted a link to the same information a couple of pages (at least) ago. " that you found hard to understand?

 

[coltrane]

Murdoch Senior interview with Wall Street Journal - i'll bet that the journalist conducting him gave him a good grilling:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...4709284.html?mod=WSJEurope_hpp_LEFTTopStories

"Mr. Murdoch said News Corp. has handled the crisis "extremely well in every way possible," making just "minor mistakes."

Uhuh.

"People close to the company have said the company has considered a separation or sale of its newspaper assets. Mr. Murdoch, who is famously devoted to the newspaper business, called such reports "pure rubbish. Pure and total rubbish....give it the strongest possible denial you can give."

Like the last bit especially.

Mr. Murdoch singled out former British Prime Minster Gordon Brown, who in recent days claimed his phone and other information had been obtained illicitly by reporters across News International, including not just News of the World but also the Sunday Times.

"He got it entirely wrong," Mr. Murdoch said, adding that "the Browns were always friends of ours" until the company's Sun tabloid withdrew its support for the Labour Party before the last election.

Mr. Murdoch said the new independent committee will be led by a "distinguished non-employee." In addition to looking at charges of impropriety against the company, it will also put together a "protocol for behavior" for new reporters across the company."

Think I see where his point of attack will be. The independent committee sounds really impressive too.

 

[laptop]

He's the monkey-rapist in a twee outfit who heads up the HoP's internal "police". Usually more usefully deployed finding out who flooded the khazi (usually Soames or Pickles, so I've heard).

Isn't the Sergeant at Arms still the woman on the right:

Or was Jill Pay fired over letting the cops in to raid Damian Green MP?

E2A: she's still in post.

Interestingly, an image search for "sergeant at arms" site:.uk parliament comes up with pictures of James and Rupert Murdoch

 

[equationgirl]

From BBC:

Murdoch defends handling of hacking crisis: 'NewsCorp handled the crisis extremely well' apparently, so Rupes claims.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14162268

He must be deluded, surely. If ever a crisis was handled extremely well, this was not it.

This seemed to have gotten lost in the bickering earlier on in the thread - anybody got any comments on the blatant deludedness of the Murdochs?

My brain just kept going 'WTF???' when I was reading it. He can't be serious, surely?

 

[gavman]

Sorry if this has been covered as i've not read all the thread, but when the murdoch's and rebecca thingy give evidence to the parliamentary committee, is it under oath like in court ?
in other words, can they get done for perjury if they lie (and later get caught out) ?

you can refuse to answer questions, but contempt of parliament is the same as contempt of court

 

[teqniq]

That image should have the caption: "Look, I said I was sorry, there's no need to go off in a huff.."

/derail

 

[laptop]

This seemed to have gotten lost in the bickering earlier on in the thread - anybody got any comments on the blatant deludedness of the Murdochs?

My brain just kept going 'WTF???' when I was reading it. He can't be serious, surely?

I think he's trying to make the following claims true by printing them in his newspaper:

He said: "We think it's important to absolutely establish our integrity in the eyes of the public... I felt that it's best just to be as transparent as possible."

But he insisted the damage to his company was "nothing that will not be recovered".

He said he acted appropriately and quickly: "when I hear something going wrong, I insist on it being put right."

Mr Murdoch also rejected criticism that James Murdoch had acted too slowly in dealing with the tabloid scandal.

"I think he acted as fast as he could, the moment he could," he said.

...and thereby prop up the share price.

 

[laptop]

Have I missed the confirmation that FBI to investigate News Corporation over 9/11 hacking allegations?

But:

Even if the information contained in the Mirror article could be verified, there might be a problem with moving forward with an investigation because the events were so long ago. Several legal experts, including a former top lawyer for the FBI, said that prosecution under federal wiretapping laws is subject to a five-year statute of limitations.

So it'll have to be a Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) prosecution

 

[OneStrike]

you can refuse to answer questions, but contempt of parliament is the same as contempt of court

Yep, though it will be the judicial inquiry whereby they would be under oath, Rupert will probably be deemed unfit by the time he is ever called for that.

 

[equationgirl]

Laptop: I think he's having a laugh. How stupid and gullible does he think people are? Does he really think that his statements will be believed? This kind of crap just damages his position further. How's the share price doing today? Any graphs?

 

[OneStrike]

: reply to Little_Legs. I don't really read newspapers but the issue that this man, you would presume, was given a very high level security clearance is a key part of questioning Camerons judgement/impartiality. That he took a huge pay cut, as a corrupt dodgy mf, to work somewhere with access to highly sensitive info raises questions that need answering.

 

[moochedit]

you can refuse to answer questions, but contempt of parliament is the same as contempt of court

Sweet

 

[moochedit]

British lawmakers took the dramatic step Thursday of issuing a summons to the once all-powerful Murdochs after the father and son said they would not appear before Parliament's Culture, Media and Sport Committee on Tuesday.

Within hours, the Murdochs made room in their schedules after all. It was another victory for politicians over the Murdochs -- something that would have been all but unthinkable just two weeks ago.

For decades, British lawmakers lived in fear of the influence of Murdoch's media empire. With the revelation of widespread criminal hacking, and the public revulsion that followed, Parliament has been liberated, flexing its muscles in a display of freedom some are calling the "British Spring."

and that's in fox news

 

[laptop]

Laptop: I think he's having a laugh. How stupid and gullible does he think people are? Does he really think that his statements will be believed? This kind of crap just damages his position further.

Not, necessarily, in the weird world of share options, governed as it is by traders' percetptions of other traders' perceptions of their perceptions of [continue ad nauseam]...

How's the share price doing today? Any graphs?

News Corp on NASDAQ in New York:

 

[ymu]

they were the days. back to my earlier point (that most people are getting bored) is this the crux of it, phone hacking just isnt that bad - sure most people draw the line at hacking dead teenagers phones, but as corporate scandals go, this is hardly bhopal or enron or even the gulf spill, it was a bit naughty and a bit out of order, but no-one died

and where did this whole right to privacy bullshit come from anyway

You don't get it, do you. This isn't about hacking. It's about Murdoch wielding power over parliament and police force, using the methods of the mafia to intimidate people into silence and to buy favours, to spread police smears and the securuty agenda, to make five Prime Ministers (at least) and ten or more governments and parliaments accede to his political agenda.

And then he exported it to America in a new form. Fox News, with tabloidisation of their much better media in the planning.

It's not about hacking. Really.

 

[ymu]

This seemed to have gotten lost in the bickering earlier on in the thread - anybody got any comments on the blatant deludedness of the Murdochs?

My brain just kept going 'WTF???' when I was reading it. He can't be serious, surely?

I've posted that argument a dozen times, but the only response I ever got was L_C calling me Jeffrey for some unfathomable reason.

He doesn't know how to do business without an immense amount of power and intimidation coming into play. They're lost in a perfect storm, and they've thrown the chief witnesses to the wolves. Half the Sky board are leaking against the Murdoch 'family' insiders. It almost brings a tear to my eye, it's so beautiful to watch.

 

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[2hats]

I heard (somewhere) that there is a device on the market for listening in to digital mobiles. It is illegal to use it and it is quite expensive, so not for everyone, but I understand it goes into a cell and replicates a mobile mast, somehow gaining the ability to listen in to anyone who is in the same cell.

Doubtless such equipment exists as GSM hacking is well within the reach of 'hobbyists' and this has already been demonstrated (Chaos Computer Club congress last year). Only just this week a real hack for intercepting/faking GSM traffic via femtocells (eg Vodafone Sure Signal) was published. But a security service with access to the main telco cores has little need to resort to these sort of activities. Trojaning a smartphone might also be a viable, indeed preferable option.

 

[equationgirl]

Thanks for the lovely downwards graph, laptop.

 

[ymu]

FBI. Murdoch. America. Prison. American Prison.

Let's hope they can't afford to go to luxury private jail by the time they go down.