Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[Louloubelle]

^^^"And ye, did Christ run through the Anglican money market, and did the mage called Whittam-Smith emote, "Knock it off, JC, if we hang on to these MurdochSatanInc shares, we'll be coining it in - loadsamoney"

(from the Book of Digger)

 

[butchersapron]

£6 billion worth of assets. Only £1 billion of that is used for pensions.

Shittest

church

ever.

 

[killer b]

Goodness, what a busy retirement old Andreas is having.

same bloke who's looking into hari at the indie isn't it?

 

[butchersapron]

Yep, that's him.

 

[killer b]

looking at his wiki, he's a very energetic man.

 

[butchersapron]

looking at his wiki, he's a very energetic man.

A full life of boards and bodies and that - i noticed earlier when checking his Independent editorship dates

 

[ViolentPanda]

Suggests to me that the Mirror and Mail could be happy hunting grounds for the enquiry.

Which we already knew a week ago.

 

[MellySingsDoom]

Just recalled that Whittam-Smith was installed as President of the BBFC by Jack Straw, as a "fuck you" to James Ferman (for, amongst other things, daring to pass the "pornography" of films like "Crash", and also trying to pass utterly-watered-down/cut-to-pieces R18 "porn"). I had no time for the autocratic, dictatorial Ferman, but Straw's treatment of him, and Whittam-Smith's utterly useless term as President, stank to high heaven.

 

[ViolentPanda]

It seems to me that all allegations are not facts otherwise they would be facts and not allegations.

The phone hacking allegations will imho only become facts if and when the mobile phone companies confirm that hacking actually took place. Yes assuming the numbers and pins were in Mulcaire's notebook it does seem more than likely that he hacked them but that is not yet proof.

And there is a long way to go with that, the police have apparently contacted about 170 people and there are 4,000 names and details in the notebooks. It could at this rate take them years to contact them all and investigate their phone records.

You're confusing the legal position, i.e. that there are only allegations until the facts are proven in a court of law, with the idea that there is factual evidence (i.e. a "paper trail", confirmation from he telecoms providers involved, etc) of these things having been done.

 

[agricola]

Which we already knew a week ago.

Which we already knew eight years ago, you mean.

 

[Santino]

Ha ha, Tom Watson geting a dig in at Nick Robinson.

Frankly, I think the BBC should probably take a look at itself. I don't think their political journalists took this story seriously when the investigation was taking place in parliament. I think Nick Robinson, the most powerful political editor in the land, missed the story of his life and this will come out in the reviews over months and years to come.

 

[DaveCinzano]

One has to wonder why Rusbridger and senior Guardian management "could not defend the allegations that [their own journalists] were seeking to make" about the corrupt links between cops, crooks, newspapers and private detectives back in 2000, when it is the same allegations they are so vigorously putting forward today.

It was known in 2000 that the News Of The World (editor: Rebekah Brooks), the Mirror (editor: Piers Morgan) and the Sunday Mirror (editor: Colin Myler) were knee-deep in shit on this.

 

[MellySingsDoom]

One has to wonder why Rusbridger and senior Guardian management "could not defend the allegations that [their own journalists] were seeking to make" about the corrupt links between cops, crooks, newspapers and private detectives back in 2000, when it is the same allegations they are so vigorously putting forward today.

It was known in 2000 that the News Of The World (editor: Rebekah Brooks), the Mirror (editor: Piers Morgan) and the Sunday Mirror (editor: Colin Myler) were knee-deep in shit on this.

Rusbridger guilty of similar dealings himself, perhaps? Him sticking up to maintain the Fourth Estate? The pro-Blair Graun not wanting to rock the boats of the pro-Blair NOTW, Sun and Mirror?

 

[DaveCinzano]

Lest we forget NOTW political editor David Wooding's lament last week:

They cleared out all the bad people. They bought in a great new editor, Colin Myler, and his deputy, Victoria Newton, who had not been sullied by any of the things that had gone on in the past.

And there's nobody there, there's hardly anybody there who was there in the old regime.

Perhaps he meant to say "who had not been specifically sullied by any of the things that had gone on in the past at the NOTW, but let's brush all that naughtiness he was involved with at the Sunday Mirror under the carpet."

 

[ViolentPanda]

He'll say it's all very serious, express contrition at making bad hiring decision, wider implications for the media must be treated with utmost gravity, anounce the terms of public enquiry, reiterate Police are investigating again blah, blah. Hence Can we therefore please shut up now and let those take their courses. He wants to be seen to ascert some kind of control over events.

Unfortunately for him, he'll only be able to do so with any certainty once all the cats are out of the bag, and that is a long way from happening.

 

[butchersapron]

UK media very very quiet on Piers 'cunt' Morgan getting dragged in. Getting closer now.

 

[ViolentPanda]

there's no 5 - confused.

Thing is, where 4 possible reasons for Rusbridger's behaviour can be found, so can #5, #6 and, for all we know 7-10 too.

 

[killer b]

UK media very very quiet on Piers 'cunt' Morgan getting dragged in. Getting closer now.

any specific info on that?

 

[DaveCinzano]

UK media very very quiet on Piers 'cunt' Morgan getting dragged in. Getting closer now.

Seeing as Brooks was his personal protégé, and one whom he fast-tracked for senior management, it's going to be difficult for him to keep his paws clean.

I wonder if Marina is going to drop him in it at any point.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Possibly also a creeping fear of letting a Murdoch man get his hands on actual government secrets. No one's really talked about that angle yet.

Of course they haven't. Gives them time to brush any problems under the carpet.

 

[MellySingsDoom]

I think butchersapron may be referring to this story: http://www.businessinsider.com/murdoch-phone-hacking-piers-morgan-next-2011-7

(Apols to him if not so)

 

[Santino]

I wonder if Marina is going to drop him in it at any point.

Hyde?

 

[butchersapron]

any specific info on that?

Only the Express in this country is running anything on him right now (apart from blogs and twitter). I sense people digging through his interviews and so on even as we speak...so expect more later...

 

[MellySingsDoom]

Hyde?

Yup. Funnily enough, a while ago, at a Graun meejda event c/o Graun Towers, Ms Hyde laid into some Murdoch hacks for publishing details of her affair w/Moron (it's on the Graun site somewhere, if memory serves). Will Rusbridger let her weigh in on this or silence her?

e2a: Looks like Ms Hyde has been writing on this whole thing - see here for example.

 

[DaveCinzano]

From the Guardian's 'Media Top 100' profile of Rebekah Wade/Brooks in 2002:

She has also had a string of impressive scoops, including the Prince Harry drugs scandal, Angus Deayton's romp with a prostitute, and the sting in which Sophie Rhys Jones spoke rather too freely with Mazir [sic] Mahmood (dressed as a fake sheik, naturally).

Hmmm.

Wade also came under fire from the editor of Daily Telegraph editor Charles Moore, who said she was too close to Mark Bolland, Prince Charles's deputy private secretary, and Guy Black, the director of the press complaints commission.

The Telegraph implied the three had colluded on the Prince Harry drug-taking story, and Moore called the PCC a "stitch-up."

Ms Wade retaliated by printing "10 Things You Never Knew About Charles Moore," and branded him "the hypocrite of Fleet Street."

Curious.

But the chances of Ms Wade "pouring her heart out" are about as good as England's were of winning the World Cup. She oozes ambition and decided from the start to stay out of the limelight - like many of her News International mentors including the legendary Kelvin MacKenzie.

Ambition? Check.

Staying out of the limelight? Oops.

Who knows, with a good wind she may even find herself back at the Sun where she was once deputy, only this time in the editor's chair [she did - 2003-9]. Now that would be interesting.

Looks like her good wind is repeating on her.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Responsible for hacking Ulrika's phone and finding out she was shagging Sven?

 

[agricola]

I think butchersapron may be referring to this story: http://www.businessinsider.com/murdoch-phone-hacking-piers-morgan-next-2011-7

(Apols to him if not so)

Moron has always been bent though - as anyone familiar with the City Slickers / Viglen case would know.

(edit - the outcome of which (Moron only ever recieved a slap on the wrist from the PCC) does raise even more eyebrows now than it did at the time, given the allegations of undue influence that the media has)

 

[DaveCinzano]

Yup. Funnily enough, a while ago, at a Graun meejda event c/o Graun Towers, Ms Hyde laid into some Murdoch hacks for publishing details of her affair w/Moron (it's on the Graun site somewhere, if memory serves). Will Rusbridger let her weigh in on this or silence her?

Currently underemployed ex-NOTW showbusiness hack Dan Wootton is trying to whip up a twitter spat with her at the moment.

 

[killer b]

marina had an affair with moron? i thought it was a common-or-garden boyf/girlf thing...

 

[ViolentPanda]

shameless fucking wanker eh? it's similtaneously cringe-worthy yet cunt-tasticly punchable.

It's also an utterly fantastic illustration of the insidious nature of the relationship between the apparatus of the state and power. Hayman can't see that his position is compromised by what he did. Sod Freemasonry and the other stuff the conspiraloons rattle on about. You don't need that kind of network when power exerts it's influence so baldly!