Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[dylans]

ARrggh it doesn't matter what fucking case it was, why was he going to cameron to help him.

YMU is right on this.Who cares why he warned him. We all know Rusbridger is a liberal shit. So what? I don't care if he thought he was "helping out the PM in the national interest" Or if he was trying to ingratiate himself with him. That's of secondary importance here. The important thing is that we know that Cameron was warned about Coulson...and hired him anyway. The opportunity to hurt Cameron is the number one priority here not attacking the fucking Guardian. That's not spreading the crisis, its diluting it.

 

[butchersapron]

Whatever his motives, I'm bloody glad he did it because it massively increases the chances of bringing Cameron down over this.

No it doesn't. The chances of the guardian being caught in the same net have increased though.

 

[agricola]

It has been said of Murdoch that he got close to Political leaders not because of threats but because he insulated them from close media investigation. Perhaps Rusbridger was trying to do the same, to build a closer relationship with Cameron?

Unlikely. Murdoch has control over a wide range of media outlets and large resources... Rusbridger doesnt, is merely an editor, and the Guardian is broke anyway.

 

[ymu]

It does matter if they're not me. It's quite important that they're not. That they're part of this - all together, That the editor of the paper who brought this down went to cameron to try and help him out of it before it happened. That happened because they're not me.

Also don't tell me what to target on. You want to spread this, don't concentrate it.

A wedge is usually the most effective strategy for forcing through a very tough line.

It does matter that they're not you because most people aren't, and I can't wait for you to clone yourself ten million times and bring the little aprons up to be right-thinking citizens. I addressed the wedge issue pages ago, and (as you know) I'm not interested in playing heroes and villains.

We're in the world we're in. It's not going to change at all without massive pressure and an undoing of the massive damage wrought by Thatcher. Break the back of the beast, give us a taste of what it feels like to win, and then we might be able to achieve something.

 

[ymu]

Wtf is this the media should hep the national interest shit? Help the govt of the day? It's mental

You've just argued that there should be no state media.

Where have I argued any of that? For fuck's sake.

 

[Tankus]

should NI's legal team get sent to the beak ?

 

[butchersapron]

YMU is right on this.Who cares why he warned him. We all know Rusbridger is a liberal shit. So what? I don't care if he thought he was "helping out the PM in the national interest" The important thing is that we know that Cameron was warned about Coulson...and hired him anyway. The opportunity to hurt Cameron is the number one priority here not attacking the fucking Guardian. That's not spreading the crisis, its diluting it.

I care about why he helped him and why. I'm interested in what it says about how the media works, about the personal connections and how they play out in real life. You have the editor of the largest left wing paper looking to defend a tory prime minister from future attacks. If you're not then sorry, you're out of the game, you don't realise that is happening. It's a legitimation crisis anmd you're trying to restrict it pot one company. Clueless.

 

[butchersapron]

A wedge is usually the most effective strategy for forcing through a very tough line.

It does matter that they're not you because most people aren't, and I can't wait for you to clone yourself ten million times and bring the little aprons up to be right-thinking citizens. I addressed the wedge issue pages ago, and (as you know) I'm not interested in playing heroes and villains.

We're in the world we're in. It's not going to change at all without massive pressure and an undoing of the massive damage wrought by Thatcher. Break the back of the beast, give us a taste of what it feels like to win, and then we might be able to achieve something.

wtf has this got do with your cowardice over the guardian?

 

[dylans]

I care about why he helped him and why. I'm interested in what it says about how the media works, about the personal connections and how they play out in real life. You have the editor of the largest left wing paper looking to defend a tory prime minister from future attacks. If you're not then sorry, you're out of the game, you don't realise that is happening. It's a legitimation crisis anmd you're trying to restrict it pot one company. Clueless.

I will concern myself with Rusbridger's motives once we have Cameron's head on a spike thanks and whichever way you want to spin this, attacking the paper that not only broke this story but doggedly followed it for years at a time when Cameron is in the sniper sights is just bloody stupid.

 

[claphamboy]

BBC reporting that NI has announced that *most* of the 200+ former NotW staff are being re-employed.

The countdown to the Sun on Sunday is on.

 

[butchersapron]

I will concern myself with Rusbridger's motives once we have Cameron's head on a spike thanks and whichever way you want to spin this, attacking the paper that not only broke this story but doggedly followed it for years at a time when Cameron is in the sniper sights is just bloody stupid.

I'll concern myself with them right now. I'll not attack others for their priorities either. Not you though eh?

 

[Kanda]

BBC reporting that NI has announced that *most* of the 200+ former NotW staff are being re-employed.

The countdown to the Sun on Sunday is on.

Probably cheaper than the redundancy process/payout.

 

[laptop]

Wtf is this the media should hep the national interest shit? Help the govt of the day? It's mental

But the net effect - since Cameron didn't heed the warning - is that he's set Cameron up beautifully. "Will the Prime Minister explain to the House why and how he appointed a person he knew to be involved in criminal activity...?"

I discussed (a couple of days ago on this thread!) the downside: what if Cameron had heeded the warning? Not much harm done.

And I reckoned, given the timing of at least one of the warnings, that Rusbridger was playing a different political game entirely: trying to get a Lib/Lab coalition rather than the Lib/Tory trainwreck. The sort of thing UK national newspaper editors have done since they were invented.

 

[agricola]

I'll concern myself with them right now. I'll not attack others for their priorities either. Not you though eh?

wtf has this got do with your cowardice over the guardian?

 

[butchersapron]

#dontattacktheguardian

 

[TruXta]

Much as I see your point about what the Rusbridge-Cameron exchange can shed light on butchers, what exactly have you got to go on? Seems to me that in lieu of some more evidence/data all one can do at this point is indulge in idle speculation.

 

[butchersapron]

Going to say any thing roman?

 

[butchersapron]

Much as I see your point about what the Rusbridge-Cameron exchange can shed light on butchers, what exactly have you got to go on? Seems to me that in lieu of some more evidence/data all one can do at this point is indulge in idle speculation.

Evidence of what. The cosy world they live in, yep got that. Rusbridger going to cameron to warn him. To go on? It happening.

 

[Schmetterling]

RM, JM and RB accepted committee invitation for next week!!!!

 

[claphamboy]

The 2 Murdochs & Brook has agreed to appear next week before the Select Committee!

 

[TruXta]

Evidence of what. The cosy world they live in, yep got that. Rusbridger going to cameron to warn him.

Well, you seem to be asking what were his motivations?, and if the man himself isn't saying anything apart from what he's already said what have we got to go on? I did see him on Newsnight the other night, and AFAIR he was saying something along the lines of wanting to warn him about taking on a dodgy fella as his comms man. You can infer whatever you want from that, but it'll still be speculation.

 

[Teaboy]

The 2 Murdochs & Brook has agreed to appear next week before the Select Committee!

I'm amazed Rupert has decided to attend, he must fancy a dust up.

 

[Dan U]

Fwiw I find it fucking odd he warned him too. I would have been willing Coulson in to the job if I was rubbisher

 

[agricola]

Going to say any thing roman?

Best for you to illustrate your own daftness, I feel.

Though as you have asked, how on earth is it that someone can be accused of their "cowardice over the guardian" when this is about comments on a bulletin board?

 

[ymu]

wtf has this got do with your cowardice over the guardian?

What the fuck are you on about?

 

[claphamboy]

The Chair of the Select Committee is saying they could have forced Brook to appear, as she's a UK citizen, but they couldn't have forced RM & JM to attend, he seems surprised that they have agreed.

 

[butchersapron]

Well, you seem to be asking what were his motivations?, and if the man himself isn't saying anything apart from what he's already said what have we got to go on? I did see him on Newsnight the other night, and AFAIR he was saying something along the lines of wanting to warn him about taking on a dodgy fella as his comms man. You can infer whatever you want from that, but it'll still be speculation.

I am asking what his motivations was, and i'm asking what produced that motivation.

 

[TruXta]

I am asking what his motivations was, and i'm asking what produced that motivation.

Yeah I got that. Do you have any answers that aren't essentially speculation?

 

[TruXta]

The Chair of the Select Committee is saying they could have forced Brook to appear, as she's a UK citizen, but they couldn't have forced RM & JM to attend, he seems surprised that they have agreed.

Oh, so Jimbo is not a UK national then? Googling turned up conflicting results.

 

[agricola]

What the fuck are you on about?

Did you really get ran out of Islington by a horde of CiF commentators? Fled in terror when faced with weapons-grade biscoti and couscous?