Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[Lord Camomile]

BREAKING NEWS Laura Kuenssberg Chief political correspondent, BBC News channel: In the last couple of minutes it has been confirmed that the government will support Labour's motion that says MPs believe it would not be in the public interest for Rupert Murdoch and News Corporation to takeover BSkyB.

Will that actually have much impact on proceedings?

 

[butchersapron]

no

 

[Idris2002]

Will that actually have much impact on proceedings?

 

[ymu]

Why was rusbridger warning cameron? What did he know? How?

Edit - Q clarified.

There was an ongoing court case that could not be reported on (the Daniel Morgan murder, Rees and Fillery in the dock). The case has collapsed five times in 15 years due to police corruption. It was barely reportable at all until recently. The Graun splashed on it in the early 2000s, IIRC.

It's exactly the kind of information you'd expect an editor to pass onto a senior politician who is about to do something so incredibly fucking stupid. I'm actually quite surprised that no other paper did, in private. Whatever their own dodgy dealings, they must have known this would blow up in his face.

Plus, Rusbridger had been chasing this story for years. Given that Cameron would ignore him on principle, getting it on record that he had been warned was arguably a bit of a master stroke.

 

[Kanda]

Of course they have to support them, they'd look fucking stupid if they don't. But no, not much impact at all.

 

[butchersapron]

I don't get your fixation on this. There was an ongoing court case that could not be reported on (the Daniel Morgan murder, Rees and Fillery in the dock). It's exactly the kind of information you'd expect an editor to pass onto a senior politician who is about to do something so incredibly fucking stupid. I'm actually quite surprised that no other paper did, in private. Whatever their own dodgy dealings, they must have known this would blow up in his face.

Plus, Rusbridger had been chasing this story for years. Given that Cameron would ignore him on principle, getting it on record that he had been warned was arguably a bit of a master stroke.

You think editors should be helping people like cameron? Of course you don't. So why the question?

It's exactly the kind of information you'd expect an editor to pass onto a senior politician who is about to do something so incredibly fucking stupid

It's exactly what i'd not expect them to pass on.

 

[past caring]

This was in 2000!

Guardian journos following leads that linked News Of The World (and Mirror and Sunday Mirror) hacks to corrupt cops, violent underworld figures and dodgy private detectives in a web of criminal enterprise - spiked by Hayman and Rusbridger.

Sorry - don't read the Guardian, so wasn't sure when this stuff was being reported.

 

[laptop]

I talked with Gillard and/or Flynn back in 2000/2001... I failed to get a coherent account of what'd happened with the Guardian.

Back in 2006 detective-boy was trying and failing to get hold of their book Untouchables... review here.

 

[marty21]

this is totally destroying Cameron, for once he has no one to take the hit for him

 

[butchersapron]

Edit - Q clarified.

There was an ongoing court case that could not be reported on (the Daniel Morgan murder, Rees and Fillery in the dock). It's exactly the kind of information you'd expect an editor to pass onto a senior politician who is about to do something so incredibly fucking stupid. I'm actually quite surprised that no other paper did, in private. Whatever their own dodgy dealings, they must have known this would blow up in his face.

Plus, Rusbridger had been chasing this story for years. Given that Cameron would ignore him on principle, getting it on record that he had been warned was arguably a bit of a master stroke.

Look up. Wasn't so hot then was he?

 

[DaveCinzano]

I talked with Gillard and/or Flynn back in 2000/2001... I failed to get a coherent account of what'd happened with the Guardian.

Why? Laurie Flynn is very straightforward to speak to.

 

[agricola]

Of course they have to support them, they'd look fucking stupid if they don't. But no, not much impact at all.

Makes Cameron look pretty stupid though, and the spectacle of watching two lots of lobby fodder trooping into the same lobby en masse will be deeply depressing.

 

[Kanda]

Makes Cameron look pretty stupid though

That's what I just said wasn't it?

 

[laptop]

Why? Laurie Flynn is very straightforward to speak to.

I don't remember the detail - just that there was lots of detail and I couldn't get from it to the heart of a coherent story. Much the same as the reviewer above. Often happens with journos writing books...

 

[ymu]

Will that actually have much impact on proceedings?

No, but it forces the govt to oppose Murdoch properly. They couldn't be seen to vote against, abstaining is cowardice, and amending it out of all recognition a bit tricky with such a simple motion. It was based on a poll, showing 70% in favour and only 9% against.

Little Ed has learnt how to play the politics game. Bless.

 

[agricola]

That's what I just said wasn't it?

Ah, thought you meant they would be stupid if they didnt vote with Labour. IMHO what Cameron should have done is made his side of this a free vote, rather than impose this farce.

 

[Teaboy]

No, but it forces the govt to oppose Murdoch properly. They couldn't be seen to vote against, abstaining is cowardice, and amending it out of all recognition a bit tricky with such a simple motion. It was based on a poll, showing 70% in favour and only 9% against.

Little Ed has learnt how to play the politics game. Bless.

Hunt will not attend the vote.

 

[laptop]

Peston:

My focus will inevitably shift - for a while - from the crisis at News Corp to the crisis in the eurozone.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14122109

Reassigned?

 

[ymu]

You think editors should be helping people like cameron? Of course you don't. So why the question?


It's exactly what i'd not expect them to pass on.

But they're not you, Rusbridger has some grand liberal ideas about his role in the establishment. It's not at all surprising, and I can't see what is so sinister. Whatever his motives, I'm bloody glad he did it because it massively increases the chances of bringing Cameron down over this.

I don't give a shit about his personal politics or motivations. He's useful right now. Fucking use him. We can pick over his corpse when the others are buried, but right now he's not on the ropes and Cameron is. I think we should be focusing on the easy targets for the time being ...

 

[Roadkill]

Peston:

Reassigned?

Doubt it. He's the Business Editor, after all.

 

[ymu]

Hunt will not attend the vote.

I don't think he can vote on it. He is in a quasi-judicial role and is the one member of parliament who is unable to express an opinion on the matter. Convenient for him, yes. Meaningful, no.

 

[Streathamite]

I know what. I want to know why. What was the case? What trial what restriction? Rusbridger just says he could not print it, not that there was a trail. So, what is he doing saving people rather than burying them?

I think it's highly likely Rusbridger was referring to the Daniel Morgan murder case (bloke found outisde the Red Lion in Sydenham with an axe embedded in his head), which Jonathan rees of southern Investigations went on trial for; Coulson had used Reees and southern extensively

 

[ymu]

Peston:



Reassigned?

I'd imagine so, yes. If so, well done Beeb.

 

[butchersapron]

But they're not you, Rusbridger has some grand liberal ideas about his role in the establishment. It's not at all surprising, and I can't see what is so sinister. Whatever his motives, I'm bloody glad he did it because it massively increases the chances of bringing Cameron down over this.

I don't give a shit about his personal politics or motivations. He's useful right now. Fucking use him. We can pick over his corpse when the others are buried, but right now he's not on the ropes and Cameron is. I think we should be focusing on the easy targets for the time being ...

It does matter if they're not me. It's quite important that they're not. That they're part of this - all together, That the editor of the paper who brought this down went to cameron to try and help him out of it before it happened. That happened because they're not me.

Also don't tell me what to target on. You want to spread this, don't concentrate it.

 

[ymu]

I think it's highly likely Rusbridger was referring to the Daniel Morgan murder case (bloke found outisde the Red Lion in Sydenham with an axe embedded in his head), which Jonathan rees of southern Investigations went on trial for; Coulson had used Reees and southern extensively

It's not just likely, it is reported fact. He has not hidden this - he just couldn't reveal it until the case irretrievably collapsed and they all got acquitted - earlier this year, I think.

 

[butchersapron]

I think it's highly likely Rusbridger was referring to the Daniel Morgan murder case (bloke found outisde the Red Lion in Sydenham with an axe embedded in his head), which Jonathan rees of southern Investigations went on trial for; Coulson had used Reees and southern extensively

ARrggh it doesn't matter what fucking case it was, why was he going to cameron to help him.

 

[killer b]

wasn't it the daniel morgan murder case? i think that's it.

 

[butchersapron]

Wtf is this the media should hep the national interest shit? Help the govt of the day? It's mental

You've just argued that there should be no state media.

 

[Teaboy]

ARrggh it doesn't matter what fucking case it was, why was he going to cameron to help him.

It has been said of Murdoch that he got close to Political leaders not because of threats but because he insulated them from close media investigation. Perhaps Rusbridger was trying to do the same, to build a closer relationship with Cameron?

 

[equationgirl]

Why would a editor of a national newspaper stop articles on corruption in the met on the say so of the met? Why would he do that? Are they all in the same gentlemans club or something?

a) masons
b) lizards
c) masons + lizards together