Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[Teaboy]

I don't know if Akers knew what Yates, Clarke and Hayman were going to say about not having the manpower to do it properly, but I did enjoy her remark at the end as to whether she had enough resource for the new investigation and was it sustainable.

"45 officers will not be missed out of a force of 50,000."

Sweet.

But she now has the full support of superiors and politicians. When Clarke was investigating he seemingly had neither and was also trying to manage a fairly difficult ongoing terror threat. He seemed ok to me, came across as a decent copper who just wanted to catch bad people and people listening to other people's messages wasnt very high on his agenda.

 

[TruXta]

Murdoch now US citizen, is his kid?

I think Jimmy boy is English.

 

[Idris2002]

I know what. I want to know why. What was the case? What trial what restriction? Rusbridger just says he could not print it, not that there was a trail. So, what is he doing saving people rather than burying them?

I seem to recall something somewhere (Lobster magazine?) to the effect that Rusbridger had links to the security organs . . .

 

[butchersapron]

All you journos sitting tight on other papers, one crack and you're all gone.

 

[belboid]

Govt to support millibands motion saying the BskyB takeover shouldnt go ahead

 

[Santino]

BBC reporting that the Tories will back Labour's motion tomorrow.

 

[butchersapron]

I seem to recall something somewhere (Lobster magazine?) to the effect that Rusbridger had links to the security organs . . .

No idea on that Idris, i think it's more a case of we're all chaps in this together. We all piss in the same pot.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Why was rusbridger warning cameron? What did he know? How?

It's a bit rich Rusbridger warning Cameron off Coulson due to the NOTW's links to Rees.

Rusbridger himself discontinued the contracts of freelance journalists Flynn and Gillard, who were digging into the links between corrupt Met cops and Rees, at the insistence of Andy Hayman.

 

[Teaboy]

I know what. I want to know why. What was the case? What trial what restriction? Rusbridger just says he could not print it, not that there was a trail. So, what is he doing saving people rather than burying them?

It was the Jonathan Rees murder trial, Coulson had links to Rees. I'm doing this from memory so can't remember the exact nature of the reporting to restriction. As to why Rusbridger wanted to warn Cameron as opposed to hammer him, I don't know, it kinda makes it look a bit like a cosy club.

 

[Idris2002]

No idea on that Idris, i think it's more a case of we're all chaps in this together. We all piss in the same pot.

Christ I wish I could remember the full details. It was something to do with a couple of freelancers who had their work abruptly cancelled by El Guardianista Maximo.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Ahem.

 

[agricola]

Are the government supposed to interfere with police operations then?

I didnt say interfere, I said that there was a lack of support (which they would have to provided, given the national importance of this) from the Government. As for pointing fingers, that surely is justified given that the previous Government was both far more responsible (for what was happening overall rather than the failure of individual investigations) and much more compromised (lets not forget that they were collaborating with NI as to the timing of news stories and government policy) than the Met ever was.

 

[Teaboy]

It's a bit rich Rusbridger warning Cameron off Coulson due to the NOTW's links to Rees.

Rusbridger himself discontinued the contracts of freelance journalists Flynn and Gillard, who were digging into the links between corrupt Met cops and Rees, at the insistence of Andy Hayman.

Hayman again, he keeps popping up. He has a lot of questions to answer.

 

[Divisive Cotton]

the government that they will vote for the opposition motion tomorrow:

"This House believes that it is in the public interest for Rupert Murdoch and News Corporation to withdraw their bid for BSkyB"

 

[butchersapron]

It's a bit rich Rusbridger warning Cameron off Coulson due to the NOTW's links to Rees.

Rusbridger himself discontinued the contracts of freelance journalists Flynn and Gillard, who were digging into the links between corrupt Met cops and Rees, at the insistence of Andy Hayman.

can you clarify the personal insistence here please dave? Rusbridgers or Haymans?

 

[past caring]

It's a bit rich Rusbridger warning Cameron off Coulson due to the NOTW's links to Rees.

Rusbridger himself discontinued the contracts of freelance journalists Flynn and Gillard, who were digging into the links between corrupt Met cops and Rees, at the insistence of Andy Hayman.

#

So which came first? Did Rusbridger give them the push before speaking to Cameron - or only afterwards?

 

[past caring]

can you clarify the personal insistence here please dave? Rusbridgers or Haymans?

Has to be Hayman's unless dave is shit at writing sentences. Why would Rusbridger need to insist to himself?

 

[butchersapron]

Just needed to check, whole new door opens...

 

[yardbird]

I was chatting to a Sunday Times journalist at lunch today - "There's a lot of disquiet in the office".
Other than that, he was very guarded I'm afraid.
I did try.

 

[butchersapron]

**

 

[DaveCinzano]

Hayman wrote a "strictly confidential" letter to Rusbridger about Flynn & Gillard's articles on corruption in the Met - including in the anti-corruption squad. Rusbridger subsequently did not renew their freelance contracts, and the articles in the Guardian on this particular seam of corruption ended.

Rusbridger later claimed that - wait for it - he was on holiday when the letter arrived, and did not personally deal with it.

 

[yardbird]

I was chatting to a Sunday Times journalist at lunch today - "There's a lot of disquiet in the office".
Other than that, he was very guarded I'm afraid.
I did try.

 

[equationgirl]

About time the governement & opposition stood up to Emperor Murdoch and his evil empire. Better late than never, chaps.

 

[butchersapron]

Lot of holidays ain't there?

 

[butchersapron]

Hayman wrote a "strictly confidential" letter to Rusbridger about Flynn & Gillard's articles on corruption in the Met - including in the anti-corruption squad. Rusbridger subsequently did not renew their freelance contracts, and the articles in the Guardian on this particular seam of corruption ended.

Rusbridger later claimed that - wait for it - he was on holiday when the letter arrived, and did not personally deal with it.

Have you talked to these two, do you have contacts for them?

 

[DaveCinzano]

#

So which came first? Did Rusbridger give them the push before speaking to Cameron - or only afterwards?

This was in 2000!

Guardian journos following leads that linked News Of The World (and Mirror and Sunday Mirror) hacks to corrupt cops, violent underworld figures and dodgy private detectives in a web of criminal enterprise - spiked by Hayman and Rusbridger.

 

[equationgirl]

Hayman wrote a "strictly confidential" letter to Rusbridger about Flynn & Gillard's articles on corruption in the Met - including in the anti-corruption squad. Rusbridger subsequently did not renew their freelance contracts, and the articles in the Guardian on this particular seam of corruption ended.

Rusbridger later claimed that - wait for it - he was on holiday when the letter arrived, and did not personally deal with it.

Oh for heavens sake...

I wish I could get out of stuff so easily.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Have you talked to these two, do you have contacts for them?

No I don't. This is all a matter of public record, mind.

 

[Teaboy]

Why would a editor of a national newspaper stop articles on corruption in the met on the say so of the met? Why would he do that? Are they all in the same gentlemans club or something?

 

[Idris2002]

Hayman wrote a "strictly confidential" letter to Rusbridger about Flynn & Gillard's articles on corruption in the Met - including in the anti-corruption squad. Rusbridger subsequently did not renew their freelance contracts, and the articles in the Guardian on this particular seam of corruption ended.

Rusbridger later claimed that - wait for it - he was on holiday when the letter arrived, and did not personally deal with it.

This must be the case I was thinking of. . .