Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[claphamboy]

The Chair of the Select Committee is saying they could have forced Brook to appear, as she's a UK citizen, but they couldn't have forced RM & JM to attend, he seems surprised that they have agreed.

This is going to be beautiful viewing.

 

[butchersapron]

Yeah I got that. Do you have any answers that aren't essentially speculation?

I have the last 300 years of British history. Is that enough?

 

[claphamboy]

Oh, so Jimbo is not a UK national then? Googling turned up conflicting results.

Looks that way, not surprising considering his father has never been a UK citizen.

 

[TruXta]

I have the last 300 years of British history. Is that enough?

It's a start, but it won't suddenly make you into a mind-reader.

 

[ymu]

I am asking what his motivations was, and i'm asking what produced that motivation.

He's a liberal. What more explanation do you need?

 

[Teaboy]

This is going to be beautiful viewing.

It is, but I reckon it'll go one of 2 ways, either it will be a proper paga with accusations flying around or the MP's will get a bit star struck and intimidated and give em an easy ride.

 

[butchersapron]

Yeah I got that. Do you have any answers that aren't essentially speculation?

Proof of motivation? What counts as proof of motivation TruXta? Acts? Got them.

 

[ymu]

Did you really get ran out of Islington by a horde of CiF commentators? Fled in terror when faced with weapons-grade biscoti and couscous?

Yes.

 

[butchersapron]

He's a liberal. What more explanation do you need?

Meaningless

 

[dylans]

Evidence of what. The cosy world they live in, yep got that. Rusbridger going to cameron to warn him. To go on? It happening.

Let's remind us what Cameron has done. He hired a man mired in accusations of industrial espionage and brought him into the heart of the government. That is massive. That alone should be enough to force his resignation and now we knew he did it despite being warned not to.

Rusbridger warning tightens the screw a little bit by taking away the excuse of ignorance. Cameron can no longer say he didn't know. By warning Cameron he has given us evidence that Cameron knew Coulson was a liabilty and yet hired him anyway. Whatever Rusbridger's motives I'm glad he did. Now Cameron can't claim ignorance and we are one step closer to bringing him down. That's my priority, but hey knock yourself out attacking the Guardian instead.

 

[xenon]

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No it doesn't. The chances of the guardian being caught in the same net have increased though.

Do you think it's possible he did it, betting Cameron would ignore his warning? Maybe he warned him at a stage where it was too late for Cameron to get rid of Coulson, with out contractual problems or something. But it would be on record he'd been told. I mean it's possible Russbringer could have been that cunning.

 

[laptop]

Meaningless

Try:

He's a Liberal. What more explanation do you need?

 

[butchersapron]

It's a start, but it won't suddenly make you into a mind-reader.

I don't have to be. It' plain as day. The lovely guardian editor warned the nasty Cameron out of a collegiate responsibility.

 

[London_Calling]

collegiate responsibility.

LOL. I'll borrow that.

The Wire again (S5): "collegiate atmosphere in the news room".

 

[TruXta]

Proof of motivation? What counts as proof of motivation TruXta? Acts? Got them.

Nah, acts are shit proofs of motivation. Psych 101, mate. I meant to go home after 2 beers, but....

 

[TruXta]

I don't have to be. It' plain as day. The lovely guardian editor warned the nasty Cameron out of a collegiate responsibility.

Again, that's you speculating. FWIW I'm inclined to agree with you, but stop pretending this a slam-dunk, case shut type of thing.

 

[butchersapron]

Again, that's you speculating. FWIW I'm inclined to agree with you, but stop pretending this a slam-dunk, case shut type of thing.

What are you the fucking hacking journo standard monitor? I know what happened. So do you. Stop being a wuss.

 

[London_Calling]

Yes. C'mon TruXta, show some collegiate responsibility here.

 

[Ted Striker]

This is going to be beautiful viewing.

Innit. Sod 7 days, I want it no(t)w!

I fear it will be as exasperating as Blair's act though. A masterclass exhibition in avoidance and doublespeak if nothing else.

 

[TruXta]

What are you the fucking hacking journo standard monitor? I know what happened. So do you. Stop being a wuss.

Really? You know what happened? James Randi's 1 million dollars are waiting in that case.

 

[Teaboy]

Innit. Sod 7 days, I want it no(t)w!

I fear it will be as exasperating as Blair's act though. A masterclass exhibition in avoidance and doublespeak if nothing else.

I don't, I think they'll come out fighting. I can't see Murdoch senior being spoken to the same way they spoke to the cops today.

 

[London_Calling]

What choice did he have; it's an opportuity to show what a fit and proper person he is. Full cooperation, got nothing to hide, etc.

 

[Streathamite]

ARrggh it doesn't matter what fucking case it was, why was he going to cameron to help him.

It's simple why Rusbridger did it; to trap cameron. he knew that cameron would ignore his warning, given that it came from the Guardian.
So, when it later emerges that cameron had ignored a warning about Coulson's criminal associations - from a figure as eminent as a national broadsheet editor, no less, then Cameron's even further & deeper in the shit.

 

[ymu]

Innit. Sod 7 days, I want it no(t)w!

I fear it will be as exasperating as Blair's act though. A masterclass exhibition in avoidance and doublespeak if nothing else.

I wouldn't bet on it. They will be well prepared, of course. But they're running around like they still have the power they used to have. None of them has any real experience of dealling with situations where people are not fucking terrified of them.

 

[butchersapron]

Really? You know what happened? James Randi's 1 million dollars are waiting in that case.

Weird thing to say. Rusbridger helped Cameron - why? Is this a mental question? Is the reply that it doesn't matter right now good enough? It's not and it's not oh intrepid journos.

 

[claphamboy]

Some seem to getting a little over excited here, in thinking Cameron is dead in the water and will be forced to resign.

He's not, it's never going to happen.

In fact I'll put it on record that if Cameron resigns over this, I'll donate £50 to the server fund.

 

[butchersapron]

It's simple why Rusbridger did it; to trap cameron. he knew that cameron would ignore his warning, given that it came from the Guardian.
So, when it later emerges that cameron had ignored a warning about Coulson's criminal associations - from a figure as eminent as a national broadsheet editor, no less, then Cameron's even further & deeper in the shit.

That's pretty mental. The guardian had no motivation to trap Cameron. They support his govt. If you're right - where is this trap being used?

#No, all in it together.

 

[past caring]

But the net effect - since Cameron didn't heed the warning - is that he's set Cameron up beautifully. "Will the Prime Minister explain to the House why and how he appointed a person he knew to be involved in criminal activity...?"

I discussed (a couple of days ago on this thread!) the downside: what if Cameron had heeded the warning? Not much harm done.

And I reckoned, given the timing of at least one of the warnings, that Rusbridger was playing a different political game entirely: trying to get a Lib/Lab coalition rather than the Lib/Tory trainwreck. The sort of thing UK national newspaper editors have done since they were invented.

Hurrah! for Rusbridger, eh?

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Do you think it's possible he did it, betting Cameron would ignore his warning? Maybe he warned him at a stage where it was too late for Cameron to get rid of Coulson, with out contractual problems or something. But it would be on record he'd been told. I mean it's possible Russbringer could have been that cunning.

No. It's because when the chips are down, Cameron, Rusbridger, Murdoch, Milliband are "all in it together", all have the same class interest. Rusbridger didn't tip Cameron the wink in the hope of being able to use it as leverage to engineer a Lib/Lab pact at some unforeseeable point in the future (it's as mad a notion as thinking that the lizards were behind 9/11) - yes, there's conspiracy, but the motivation is the obvious one, there's no need to look deeper for something that's not there.

 

[ymu]

It's simple why Rusbridger did it; to trap cameron. he knew that cameron would ignore his warning, given that it came from the Guardian.
So, when it later emerges that cameron had ignored a warning about Coulson's criminal associations - from a figure as eminent as a national broadsheet editor, no less, then Cameron's even further & deeper in the shit.

Not impossible, but far, far too charitable as the most likely answer, let alone the only possible one.

I still have no idea why it matters. I'm not waiting around for some ideologically spotless knight in shining armour, and I'm sure as hell not going to knock the evil knight off his horse just as he's about to spear the dragon. After, yes. Before, no.

 

[London_Calling]

That's pretty mental. The guardian had no motivation to trap Cameron. They support his govt. If you're right - where is this trap being used?

#No, all in it together.

Oh FFS.

Take a break. Get some air.