Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[TruXta]

Weird thing to say. Rusbridger helped Cameron - why? Is this a mental question? Is the reply that it doesn't matter right now good enough? It's not and it's not oh intrepid journos.

No, the question's a good one. All I'm saying is that neither you nor anyone else posting on this thread has any evidence for what Rusbridge's motivations for that were. Apparently that's something you're not inclined to agree with. Whoop-dee-doo.

Does it matter right now? IMO not as much as other stuff, like figuring out the relationships NI and the Met had for example. That's my personal opinion, and you and anyone else are of course free to focus on whatever the hell takes your fancy.

 

[Teaboy]

Some seem to getting a little over excited here, in thinking Cameron is dead in the water and will be forced to resign.

He's not, it's ever going to happen.

In fact I'll put it on record that if Cameron resigns over this, I'll donate £50 to the server fund.

I'm with you, I don't think he will resign but I think thats largely because he's not under enough pressure, the facts are pretty damning but Milliband is just scatter gunning.

 

[butchersapron]

No, the question's a good one. All I'm saying is that neither you nor anyone else posting on this thread has any evidence for what Rusbridge's motivations for that were. Apparently that's something you're not inclined to agree with. Whoop-dee-doo.

Does it matter right now? IMO not as much as other stuff, like figuring out the relationships NI and the Met had for example. That's my personal opinion, and you and anyone else are of course free to focus on whatever the hell takes your fancy.

This is the only time that it's ever going to matter, To connect the parlty dots - to shut up now in favour of some 'what?' is to destroy the story.

 

[dylans]

Weird thing to say. Rusbridger helped Cameron - why? Is this a mental question? Is the reply that it doesn't matter right now good enough? It's not and it's not oh intrepid journos.

Hey there is some really good dirt on the PM, he brought a spy and a criminal at the centre of a massive scandal into government and he did so in spite of numerous warnings not to do so. His judgement is seriously in question as is his relationships with some really dodgy groups of people who did some really nasty things. I have a good idea, lets put that to one side and focus on attacking the paper that broke the story That seems like the most important thing to do right now, yeah.
FUCKING IDIOT.

 

[love detective]

I'm sure as hell not going to knock the evil knight off his horse just as he's about to spear the dragon. After, yes. Before, no.

i wouldn't be too concerned, chatting about a news story on a message board is unlikely to knock any evil knights of their horse, whether a dragon has been speared or not

 

[ViolentPanda]

Doesn't seem to be a skill required by the met at all going by Yates earlier.

Hayman, Yates, Dick and a whole host of other people in the upper echelons of the Met are managers working to a managerialist template. Skills such as "listening" come second to being able to file the correct forms and tick your achievement boxes so you can move up the greasy pole.

We thought that the police forces were shit 30 years ago, back when the majority of the upper echelons had worked their way up from the beat, but they're far worse now, with the upper echelons mostly manned by people who were basically the creation of management programmes, and who care more about internal politics than in fulfilling their job descriptions.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I would imagine a police officer of Hayman's pedigree would be more comfortable with verbals than writtens.

Andy Hayman. Pedigree by Heinz.

 

[TruXta]

This is the only time that it's ever going to matter, To connect the parlty dots - to shut up now in favour of some 'what?' is to destroy the story.

Hey, have at it. Me pointing out your confirmation bias wasn't meant to stop you from going down that route of inquiry.

 

[butchersapron]

Hey there is some really good dirt on the PM, he brought a spy and a criminal at the centre of a massive scandal into government and he did so in spite of numerous warnings not to do so. His judgement is seriously in question as is his relationships with some really dodgy groups of people who did some really nasty things. I have a good idea, lets put that to one side and focus on attacking the paper that broke the story That seems like the most important thing to do right now, yeah.
FUCKING IDIOT.

It's the PM not the system. Marxist.

 

[past caring]

Hey there is some really good dirt on the PM, he brought a spy and a criminal at the centre of a massive scandal into government and he did so in spite of numerous warnings not to do so. His judgement is seriously in question as is his relationships with some really dodgy groups of people who did some really nasty things. I have a good idea, lets put that to one side and focus on attacking the paper that broke the story That seems like the most important thing to do right now, yeah.
FUCKING IDIOT.

You're either with us or against us.

Tool.

 

[Wolfie Smith]

It's a well known fact that liberal newspaper editors are actually more evil than Tory PM's, bent coppers and right wing press barons. If we can possibly nail them we should.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Hayman's whole career needs be looked at right now. That's someone who is going down.

read his piece of crap autobiography ("The Terrorist Hunters" ). According to Hayman he's never put a foot wrong. It's always been the fault of either other people lower in the food chain, or it's been the fault of events, dammit!

 

[butchersapron]

It's a well known fact that liberal newspaper editors are actually more evil than Tory PM's, bent coppers and right wing press barons. If we can possibly nail them we should.

Can we have a scale of evil please?

 

[past caring]

Why not nail all of them? why is it either/or?

 

[butchersapron]

You're either with us or against us.

Tool.

You can do all sorts of things with priorities.

 

[ymu]

This is the only time that it's ever going to matter, To connect the parlty dots - to shut up now in favour of some 'what?' is to destroy the story.

Why do you think you're the only person joining those dots? It's a strategic argument. The same one we had earlier about why the Mail isn't (yet) in full focus. Feel free to disagree, but stop this hysterical nonsense, please.

 

[TruXta]

Can we have a scale of evil please?

 

[London_Calling]

Where's collegiate evil?

 

[krtek a houby]

I've been made very aware that the Johann Hari affair is by far the most heinous, because he represented "the left"

 

[past caring]

Fuck off jer.

 

[butchersapron]

Why not nail all of them? why is it either/or?

More powerful people than us are nailing the NI, a few people questioning what the guardian does = shut up while the powerful nail the rich don't you dare come up with your own research, your own angles. Wait till you're officially allowed to. By some mug on the internet.

 

[krtek a houby]

Or should I say he claimed to represent the left, as someone else claimed.

 

[TruXta]

More powerful people than us are nailing the NI, a few people questioning what the guardian does = shut up while the powerful nail the rich don't you dare come up with your own research, your own angles. Wait till you're officially allowed to. By some mug on the internet.

Research? You've already made your mind up, and ain't no changing that it seems. As per above, long live confirmation bias.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I seem to recall something somewhere (Lobster magazine?) to the effect that Rusbridger had links to the security organs . . .

Indirectly, unlike for example, Matthew D'Ancona or Dominic Lawson. He's still amenable to the occasional nudge, though.

 

[London_Calling]

The Guardian aaaand Robert Peston remember. Throw in Tom Watson and a couple of others and you've bagged the whole evil NI conspiracy.

 

[dylans]

You can do all sorts of things with priorities.

Yes priorities. Cameron is the priority not the fucking Guardian, fool.

 

[butchersapron]

Why do you think you're the only person joining those dots? It's a strategic argument. The same one we had earlier about why the Mail isn't (yet) in full focus. Feel free to disagree, but stop this hysterical nonsense, please.

I don't care what dots you join. Don't tell me not to join others. Don't tell me to shut up because you have your priorities and that they override mine.

 

[butchersapron]

Yes priorities. Cameron is the priority not the fucking Guardian, fool.

Yes, without you he'd get away with it. No one else is on his case. The supporting culture, nah, let's not bother eh?

 

[London_Calling]

butchers - seriously, stick to abstractions, like, political theory - we all know you're strong there. This dynamic, real world, shity end of the sick stuff...

 

[Streathamite]

That's pretty mental. The guardian had no motivation to trap Cameron. They support his govt. If you're right - where is this trap being used?

#No, all in it together.

as to motivation, I'm informed by decent contacts @ The Guardian that their high command have taken a sharp dislike to Cameron, plus ideological differences (though the latter are minor, I grant you). As to the trap - it's being used now, I would say.
I certainly don't think Rusbridger did it to help Cameron, or out of any sense of nation al duty.