butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That they might get in trouble in they carried on with their employment plans. Couslen esp.
Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"
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That they might get in trouble in they carried on with their employment plans. Couslen esp.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
He gave Coulson a second chance. A SECOND CHANCE. Because, without David Good Samaritan Cameron, his life was over. Really, really over.
Did everyone hear that: A SECOND CHANCE.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Weren't you saying that even asking the question was soft headed idiocy? Or was that someone else?
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Seems a fairly obvious thing to say to someone you didn't want to get in the shite.... Why tell Cameron this if not to help him or warn him off Coulson?!
weltweit
Well-Known Member
But MPs and ministers during various governments have admitted mistakes before and survived? though I can't think of any at the moment
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TruXta
tired
Someone else, guv.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
Cameron's said 'I didn't get warned, or don't recall being warned' at his press conference last week Fed. The next few days everyone who had warned him popped up.
I think Rusbridger was trying to ensure a P.M didn't get larruped like Murdoch and Brooks are now. If all of this 'new' information had come out in January, which forced Coulson to resign, Cameron would have been hammered into the deck.
I think Rusbridger was trying to ensure a P.M didn't get larruped like Murdoch and Brooks are now. If all of this 'new' information had come out in January, which forced Coulson to resign, Cameron would have been hammered into the deck.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
I think it's rapidly heading towards a vote of no confidence in Cameron, and a new leader for the conservatives.
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
But MPs and ministers during various governments have admitted mistakes before and survived? though I can't think of any at the moment
When you're a P.M who's pushing through radically dangerous and unpopular reform, insisting there is no alternative, relying on palling up with your mates in the media to ensure some sort of stability - standing up and going 'I demonstrated poor, poor judgement before I even got elected' slaps a coat of cunt tar on him and gives the opposition, his noisier coalition partners and his own backbench sackfuls of feathers.
TruXta
tired
Keyword being "seems". We all speculate on motivations for all sorts of actions made by all sorts of people, doesn't mean we're right about them does it? In fact, most of the time we're dead fucking wrong. Again, psych 101 - confirmation bias, fundamental attribution error.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
As long as it is David Davis !!
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Big difference between I wasn't warned and I don't recall..... But the point is why would Rusbridger do that at the time? Hardly the work of someone hostile to Cameron. And if Cameron was warned, by so many people, he's going to look a right fud ain't he if they all come out and say so. As such don't recall, wasn't told etc etc all works.
You don't think there was a more simply less 'officious' reason such as trying to stop a politician he supported, and his paper supports, dropping himself into the shite?
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Have there been any murmerings?
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
You decide once more
No. You asked a question. I answered it. You decided to attack me for supporting Rusbridger when I did no such thing, and then mixed this up with an entirely separate strategic argument, also misrepresented.
If you want to discuss the topic, you are perfectly capable of doing so without making insulting claims about what other people have said.
Now, tell me why it would be a great idea to start trashing the Guardian right now, because that's one of the tactics these cunts used to get the cops and the politicians and the rest of the media to ignore this story (note I said "one of" there) and I can't see how it would help anything at the moment.
If you're just talking about a bit of private ideological wanking, whatever, not interested.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
So, if you heard someone you disliked/opposed politically was gonna do summat you thought would rebound on them badly would you tell them or keep schtum hoping it does go tits up??
Conversely, if a mate/politico you liked and supported was doing something you thought would come back to haunt him would you tell him/try to warn him off doing it?
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
I think the chances of Cameron not looking a right fud are slim anyway
So far Rusbridger, Clegg and Ashdown have come out to say they warned against it.Fedayn said:
That may be it. But Cameron ignored him. He's either arrogant as fuck, or utterly gullible
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
And a general election.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Lets see how PMQs tomorrow goes first. That's Cameron's next Big Moment.
TruXta
tired
Depends entirely on what the bad/good thing in question was. In any case I have no friends that are journos or politicos (in this country) anyway, so it's all a bit hypothetical.
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
Given that Miliband's currently seeming to be leading Cameron around by the nose - I expect him (Ed) to fuck it up as usual.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
I think the chances of Cameron not looking a right fud are slim anyway
Well aye, but imho Rusbridger saw an obvious boomerang given the previous investigations and, imho and logivally, tried to ward him off.
That may be it. But Cameron ignored him. He's either arrogant as fuck, or utterly gullible
Public school arrogance? He won when he was an 'outsider', the midas touch etc? I'd go with arrogant as fuck! Also, Cameron wanted someone he thought could do a job on the press..... He did for a while.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
I've heard no murmurings, but given past form for these things, it's only a matter of time before he goes. Here's to a general election!
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Makes no difference, it's about what you do if someone you liked might get in the shite if he'she continues along a certain course. As a mate what would you do....?? Seems pretty obvious to me....
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Did quite well yesterday vs. Jeremy Hunt - yesterday was decent practice on these issues, as well. Miliband likes a sniff of moral high ground.
TruXta
tired
I'm not being coy, Feds. It really does depend. If someone I like are about to do something that might get them in the shit I might or might not warn them. If what they're about to do is likely to hurt other people I'd probably try to change their minds. If they themselves were the only ones likely to get hurt doing something stupid I might just keep my mouth shut in the hopes they'll take some learning from their fuck-up.
So, it depends.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Exactly.... What Cameron has done has had a big effect on his wider plans.... Seems pretty logical/straightforward/obvious to me.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Didn't happen.
Don't trash the Guardian because..."that's one of the tactics these cunts used to get the cops and the politicians and the rest of the media to ignore this story (note I said "one of" there) and I can't see how it would help anything at the moment."
Wow. How fucking headcase is that? Let me decide what are legitimate targets for me and in what order they may be attacked. Any reason why ymu?
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Certainly the tories know how to knife a leaders when necessary. I never fancied Cameron in the first place, PR Boy / no substance. I think Davis as a more real person with life experience might have been a lot better. I don't rate Ed Milliband either, somehow innefectual. If Milliband can't land a punch in the current environment, there may be no hope for him!
Balbi
Hey, Dean Yager!
Schadenfreude on a massive scale here.
It took Labour about four or five years to begin to be unpopular, thirteen for them to be turfed out altogether by the electorate.
Cameron's done it in about fourteen months, complete with sandpit war and dodgy connections scandal. And he'll take the LD's with him in all hope.
Who's his likely replacement though? Davis is an outsider, cHunt? Letwin? Osborne
It took Labour about four or five years to begin to be unpopular, thirteen for them to be turfed out altogether by the electorate.
Cameron's done it in about fourteen months, complete with sandpit war and dodgy connections scandal. And he'll take the LD's with him in all hope.
Who's his likely replacement though? Davis is an outsider, cHunt? Letwin? Osborne
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