Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[ViolentPanda]

It's simple why Rusbridger did it; to trap cameron. he knew that cameron would ignore his warning, given that it came from the Guardian.
So, when it later emerges that cameron had ignored a warning about Coulson's criminal associations - from a figure as eminent as a national broadsheet editor, no less, then Cameron's even further & deeper in the shit.

I don't buy Rusbridger playing at espionage. Rusbridger ingratiating himself with power is more understandable, especially if we take into account his manouvering to ingratiate himself with the Lib-Dems from 2009-onward.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Hey there is some really good dirt on the PM, he brought a spy and a criminal at the centre of a massive scandal into government and he did so in spite of numerous warnings not to do so. His judgement is seriously in question as is his relationships with some really dodgy groups of people who did some really nasty things. I have a good idea, lets put that to one side and focus on attacking the paper that broke the story That seems like the most important thing to do right now, yeah.
FUCKING IDIOT.

Because it couldn't possibly be a case of power speaking unto power, could it? There couldn't possibly be any implications as to why Rusbridger chose to do what he did, could there?

 

[gavman]

Schadenfreude on a massive scale here.

It took Labour about four or five years to begin to be unpopular, thirteen for them to be turfed out altogether by the electorate.

Cameron's done it in about fourteen months, complete with sandpit war and dodgy connections scandal. And he'll take the LD's with him in all hope.

Who's his likely replacement though? Davis is an outsider, cHunt? Letwin? Osborne

portillo portillo portillo. he's painted a masterpiece of positioning, just ready for such an opportunity

 

[ViolentPanda]

It's a well known fact that liberal newspaper editors are actually more evil than Tory PM's, bent coppers and right wing press barons. If we can possibly nail them we should.

What are you gibbering about? No-one has claimed that Rusbridger is "more evil" than a grapefruit, let alone than bent coppers etc.

 

[gavman]

Letwin? Letwin is a twat !

they're all twats

 

[killer b]

Wonder why miliband's bothering with a cosy meeting with dave 'n' clegg tonight? He's played it fairly smartly so far - this looks like a false step to me.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Why do you think you're the only person joining those dots? It's a strategic argument. The same one we had earlier about why the Mail isn't (yet) in full focus. Feel free to disagree, but stop this hysterical nonsense, please.

It's hardly strategic, it's a tactical argument.

Bloody civvies always mix them up!

 

[gavman]

Were you hacked roman?

you do know rumplestiltskin was a fairy story?

 

[killer b]

portillo portillo portillo. he's painted a masterpiece of positioning, just ready for such an opportunity

You're mad. There isn't the faintest chance.

 

[gavman]

Well he'd be nothing but a condom filled with one of Thatchers farts were it not for the way the media & politics has intertwined and evolved in recent decades. So even if the Coulson aspect did not exist, he is hardly the right man for the job of sailing the good ship corrupticus on these particular seas.

it's funny,cos he swept to parliament on a wave of revulsion over mp's corruption, but is clearly so out of his depth in dealing with....corruption

 

[weltweit]

they're all twats

Then Letwin is an UberTwat

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yes priorities. Cameron is the priority not the fucking Guardian, fool.

ymu mentioned a strategic argument above. You are not even thinking tactically, let alone strategically. Has it not occurred to you that there may be more than a single front to attack Cameron on, that investigating the why and the wherefore of what Rusbridger did may create one of those fronts?

Leave no stone unturned, even if all that boring plodding and following unglamourous and unexciting leads doesn't give you the same boner that prioritising Cameron does.

 

[butchersapron]

portillo portillo portillo. he's painted a masterpiece of positioning, just ready for such an opportunity

Banksy, banksy, murals, graffiti, bollards, and stairwells!

 

[two sheds]

Perhaps Rusbridger saw it as his only chance of a knighthood.

 

[gavman]

You're mad. There isn't the faintest chance.

then why does he linger in politics like a bad smell?

he's a permanent fixture on political programming, surrounded by serving politicians. he opines on great matters of populist principle, from the death penalty to rail travel. he's been blatantly de-toxifying himself, imo ready for a return to politics, and this will be his big chance. the fact that he's not currently an mp serves to strengthen his credibility. and he's a heavyweight next to disco dave

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yes, it's a simple question and a good one, in case anyone didn't already get that. That's not the same as saying that answers to that questions, answers based on more than "gut feeling"/"I've read 300 years of British history"/"lizards", are forthcoming. Evidence, where the fuck is it?

edit - btw, there's no difference between his employes and the establishment, they are per definition one and the same.

In the final analysis, you're correct, but in terms of the everyday functions of his role as editor of the Guardian, there is a difference, one of positioning and possible leverage.

 

[Barking_Mad]

lol

 

[gavman]

Then Letwin is an UberTwat

granted

 

[Barking_Mad]

ive asked Mr Rushbridger why he went to Cameron with the details about Coulson, ill let you know if i get a reply

 

[ViolentPanda]

Once again: I believe he believed he was serving the interests of the party he'd backed in the election - the Liberals.

But, short of administering a Truth Serum to him, I may never know.

Should newspaper editors back parties?

Explicitly? I personally don't believe they should if they're making any kind of a pretence to be a "newspaper of record", but papers taking and promoting party lines is so deeply embedded in print media culture I don't think we can ever escape it.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Why are you addressing a point I never made?

Because you never made it.

 

[Ted Striker]

B3ta outstrips itself.

Shit that's good. I fucking LOVE Horatio Caine.

 

[ViolentPanda]

There's something here that covers all sorts of parts of social life - what sort of idiot says no, narrow it down. Investigate less.

People who want a quick fix/resolution.

The problem with narrowing the focus is that by making sure the light is only cast over a small part of the whole, we miss the rest of the vista that could be providing us with other, perhaps better, information.

 

[ViolentPanda]

When you're a P.M who's pushing through radically dangerous and unpopular reform, insisting there is no alternative, relying on palling up with your mates in the media to ensure some sort of stability - standing up and going 'I demonstrated poor, poor judgement before I even got elected' slaps a coat of cunt tar on him and gives the opposition, his noisier coalition partners and his own backbench sackfuls of feathers.

Best expression evah!!!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yes. He also sorted a lot of the manifesto out, a driver behind Cameron's P.R spin.

Fucking hell, i've just thought - Hague He'd eat Ed Milliband for breakfast week in, week out.

Ooh er!

Or, even worse than Vague, Iain Duncan Shit, "the quiet twat". He'd bore everyone into a coma.

 

[Barking_Mad]

 

[Balbi]

Bless.

VP - Hague was the only Tory who got close to Blair at the dispatch box, he's a canny one (as long as he doesn't listen to his PR people)

 

[elbows]

Bless.

VP - Hague was the only Tory who got close to Blair at the dispatch box, he's a canny one (as long as he doesn't listen to his PR people)

He has an interesting recent history with certain sections of the media.

 

[ViolentPanda]

you do know rumplestiltskin was a fairy story?

You do know that rumpledforeskin is a medical condition?

 

[TruXta]

NI, i think there's people looking into that. Rusbridger - no.

And why is that do you think? What have you or anyone else offered in the way of supporting evidence for why Rusbridger did what he claims to have done - and by evidence I mean relevant statements or documents that support any inferences as to what his motives were. Sorry, but "history" doesn't do it for me.