Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[ViolentPanda]

Then Letwin is an UberTwat

The Capo di Tutti Twatti, as it were.

 

[elbows]

I like the latest Guardian update:

A meeting between David Cameron, Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg to discuss the hacking affair has ended.

Cameron is to make a statement following tomorrow morning's prime minister's questions, according to Sky News.

Quoting 'Sky sources', the broadcaster reported that the judge-led inquiry into the phone-hacking affair which Cameron has promised is going to have a much wider remit than the News of the World affair.

Sky News chief political correspondent Jon Craig said he had been told it will look at the relationship between politicians and the media as well as the relationship between the police and the media and that politicians from past and present will be called to give evidence.

 

[butchersapron]

And why is that do you think? What have you or anyone else offered in the way of supporting evidence for why Rusbridger did what he claims to have done - and by evidence I mean relevant statements or documents that support any inferences as to what his motives were. Sorry, but "history" doesn't do it for me.

Other than what he has said and done what does it require to be able to ask questions? What's the truxta test? What get us a certification of being able to ask about certain people at ceratin times?

 

[Tankus]

nice correlation ...you think .....look at the date... 2006

 

[weltweit]

It is all very well this idea of a new conservative leader, but Cameron, despite that I don't like PRBoy, is quite good verbally. I expect he will have rehearsed a good deal before tommorrows PMQs and will probably make it through.

 

[TruXta]

Other than what he has said and done what does it require to be able to ask questions? What's the truxta test? What get us a certification of being able to ask about certain people at ceratin times?

Come come, you're doing a helluva lot more than asking the question. You're not even doing that in any meaningful sense AFAIK. Have you sent inquiring emails to Rusbridge? If so, did you get answers? In short, do you know anything the rest of us don't?

 

[butchersapron]

nice correlation ...you think .....look at the date... 2006

What correlation?

 

[weltweit]

nice correlation ...you think .....look at the date... 2006

Suggests to me that the Mirror and Mail could be happy hunting grounds for the enquiry.

 

[butchersapron]

Come come, you're doing a helluva lot more than asking the question. You're not even doing that in any meaningful sense AFAIK. Have you sent inquiring emails to Rusbridge? If so, did you get answers? In short, do you know anything the rest of us don't?

It's not about what i've done. It's about what you and others decide should be done and what can legitimately be done. I could be Nick Davies or piss face mcullan and it wouldn't effect the argument or the question. So answer me, what does it take to be branded as a legitimate question, a legit topic of interest? What need i do?

 

[TruXta]

It's not about what i've done. It's about what you and others decide should be done and what can legitimately be done. I could be Nick Davies or piss face mcullan and it wouldn't effect the argument or the question. So answer me, what does it take to be branded as a legitimate question, a legit topic of interest? What need i do?

Mate, don't lump me in with people whose opinions I've not shared. I've already said the question is a good one - did you not get that after the fifth post where I said so? It's not about the question, it's about how you go about getting answers. So far all I'm seeing from you and everyone else on the matter is speculation and educated guesses dressed up as incisive analysis.

So for the last time:

Yes, it's a good topic.
No, you don't need my permission to go wild on the speculation on who, why, what and where.
Yes, I will pull you up for presenting speculation as fact.

That cover it?

 

[butchersapron]

Mate, don't lump me in with people whose opinions I've not shared. I've already said the question is a good one - did you not get that after the fifth post where I said so? It's not about the question, it's about how you go about getting answers. So far all I'm seeing from you and everyone else on the matter is speculation and educated guesses dressed up as incisive analysis.

So for the last time:

Yes, it's a good topic.
No, you don't need my permission to go wild on the speculation on who, why, what and where.
Yes, I will pull you up for presenting speculation as fact.

That cover it?

That's fair enough, now you know what you can't get away with.

 

[weltweit]

...
Yes, I will pull you up for presenting speculation as fact.
...

That is all very well, but as far as I understand it, most of the allegations against the News of the World are still allegations without concrete proof. That we can discuss them as more than allegation is because NotW have reacted as they have.

What there is, it seems to me, is names in a notebook and numbers and passwords, that actual hacking took place requires the phone companies to confirm this. Unless NotW's actions can be taken to verify that these allegations are fact.

 

[TruXta]

That's fair enough, now you know what you can't get away with.

Pardon? I can't get away with what now?

 

[butchersapron]

That is all very well, but as far as I understand it, most of the allegations against the News of the World are still allegations without concrete proof. That we can discuss them as more than allegation is because NotW have reacted as they have.

What there is, it seems to me, is names in a notebook and numbers and passwords, that actual hacking took place requires the phone companies to confirm this. Unless NotW's actions can be taken to verify that these allegations are fact.

Which allegations are without proof?

 

[TruXta]

That is all very well, but as far as I understand it, most of the allegations against the News of the World are still allegations without concrete proof. That we can discuss them as more than allegation is because NotW have reacted as they have.

What there is, it seems to me, is names in a notebook and numbers and passwords, that actual hacking took place requires the phone companies to confirm this. Unless NotW's actions can be taken to verify that these allegations are fact.

I'm not talking about the wider issue of phone hacking, rather I've been on about what I consider unfounded speculation about why Rusbridger purportedly tried warn Cameron about Coulson.

 

[butchersapron]

Pardon? I can't get away with what now?

Yes, it's a good topic.
No, you don't need my permission to go wild on the speculation on who, why, what and where.
Yes, I will pull you up for presenting speculation as fact.

Have i done any of that speculation as fact btw?

 

[paulhackett]

Which allegations are without proof?

 

[butchersapron]

shh!

 

[TruXta]

Have i done any of that speculation as fact btw?

Yes, IMO you did just that when you asserted that Rusbridge warned Cameron for reason XYZ.

 

[butchersapron]

Yes, IMO you did just that when you asserted that Rusbridge warned Cameron for reason XYZ.

And what's wrong with that sort of speculation?

 

[butchersapron]

Rusbridger warned Cameron. Don't post how or why. #1 for the P&P news!

 

[spartacus mills]

I think it's a good idea, i'm bored of murdoch now, showing how the guardian editor acts against his pretend politics to chum up to tories could prove to be far more significant politically in the long term

The whole imbroglio is epiphenomenal!!

 

[butchersapron]

Yes, IMO you did just that when you asserted that Rusbridge warned Cameron for reason XYZ.

Where and when?

 

[TruXta]

I care about why he helped him and why. I'm interested in what it says about how the media works, about the personal connections and how they play out in real life. You have the editor of the largest left wing paper looking to defend a tory prime minister from future attacks.

Or, he didn't particularly want to see this PM, any PM, hire a journo that he suspected would turn out to be a crook. I know you find such things hard to believe, but it just might be that Rusbridge thought the PMship deserved "better", that he actually believes what he says - the state as know it is good, and it deserves the best people to serve it it can get.

Mind you, this isn't at all what I suspect happened. If anything, my thoughts would follow your trajectories in many ways. But they are just that, thoughts and suspicions. Nothing wrong with it. I'm perhaps being unfair in picking on you, as it is this thread is absolutely rampant with delightful speculations and wishful thinking. The downside is that some people, you included, seem to have started treating these speculations as more facts than possibilities.

 

[butchersapron]

Or, he didn't particularly want to see this PM, any PM, hire a journo that he suspected would turn out to be a crook. I know you find such things hard to believe, but it just might be that Rusbridge thought the PMship deserved "better", that he actually believes what he says - the state as know it is good, and it deserves the best people to serve it it can get.

Mind you, this isn't at all what I suspect happened. If anything, my thoughts would follow your trajectories in many ways. But they are just that, thoughts and suspicions. Nothing wrong with it. I'm perhaps being unfair in picking on you, as it is this thread is absolutely rampant with delightful speculations and wishful thinking. The downside is that some people, you included, seem to have started treating these speculations as more facts than possibilities.

1)Supposition not FACT, Sorry.

2) Where?

 

[TruXta]

1) OK, I'll take your word for it.

2) I just quoted it. You know the context, you work it out.

 

[butchersapron]

You didn't. If you did then i missed it sorry, can you post it again?

 

[little_legs]

then why does he linger in politics like a bad smell?

he's a permanent fixture on political programming, surrounded by serving politicians. he opines on great matters of populist principle, from the death penalty to rail travel. he's been blatantly de-toxifying himself, imo ready for a return to politics, and this will be his big chance. the fact that he's not currently an mp serves to strengthen his credibility. and he's a heavyweight next to disco dave

it's called equality and diversity policy

 

[TruXta]

You didn't. If you did then i missed it sorry, can you post it again?

This

You have the editor of the largest left wing paper looking to defend a tory prime minister from future attacks.

in a context where you and others are heavily hinting that Rusbridge is covering his own arse and that of his fellow journos rather than anything else. It's a good hypothesis, and that's it so far. A hypothesis. Anyway, I shan't try and spoil everyone's fun anymore. Ciao.

 

[butchersapron]

You have the editor of the largest left wing paper looking to defend a tory prime minister from future attacks.

This is fact bella!