Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[frogwoman]

Still claim to be a paper based on thorough investigative journalism though. Looks like Nick Davies went rogue!

yes exactly they claim to be a serious paper, better than the other papers such as the mail, torygraph, the sun, etc

they have that reputation of being if not left, then "balanced" and they trade on it, so if they have been involved in wrongdoing why should they not be exposed

 

[butchersapron]

you suspect his gordie broon piece yesterday to be suspect for some reason or am i missing a point? assuming that's what you're driving at.

You are PT. The guardian claims to be a paper of investigative journalism. If so, why is the editor warning 'targets' of potential 'trouble'. The investigative stuff that got done seems to have been against the editor (his sacking two FLers on the case) - hence my characteristion of having to go rogue (as Goodman was supposed to have done) to get the fucking stuff printed.

 

[butchersapron]

Perhaps a bit of arse-covering too.

'Mr Rusbridger, is it true that you knew about Coulson's criminal connections and failed to inform the Prime Minister that he was bringing a known criminal into the heart of government?'

Poss.

Mr Rusbridger, how did you know this shit?

 

[Santino]

Possibly also a creeping fear of letting a Murdoch man get his hands on actual government secrets. No one's really talked about that angle yet.

 

[butchersapron]

Possibly also a creeping fear of letting a Murdoch man get his hands on actual government secrets. No one's really talked about that angle yet.

Yes. They haven't. I think the door needs being held open without any of the crap thrown earlier. If we're getting people, let's understand why we're getting them. That said, 97 onwards was murdoch sunshine.

 

[sleaterkinney]

i've just seen the footage of him in committee, like a fucking pantomime dame when asked about possibly having taking payments, pathetic stuff.

"I dunno why you're laughing … we would never, ever have a dinner that would compromise the investigation."

 

[butchersapron]

"I dunno why you're laughing … we would never, ever have a dinner that would compromise the investigation."

Q E fucking D

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

You are PT. The guardian claims to be a paper of investigative journalism. If so, why is the editor warning 'targets' of potential 'trouble'. The investigative stuff that got done seems to have been against the editor (his sacking two FLers on the case) - hence my characteristion of having to go rogue (as Goodman was supposed to have done) to get the fucking stuff printed.

Ah, with you now, give me time and i'll get there in the end

 

[frogwoman]

i don't understand how this could be allowed? how a policeman could be allowed to have dinner with people he was investigating, and this be common knowledge and not get him pulled off the investigation, at the very least?

well, actually, i do understand

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

"I dunno why you're laughing … we would never, ever have a dinner that would compromise the investigation."

shameless fucking wanker eh? it's similtaneously cringe-worthy yet cunt-tasticly punchable.

 

[butchersapron]

I should be applauded for spelling rogue correctly twice as well. Hard work that.

 

[frogwoman]

Not worth it FW. It's gone down the line now anyway. Just remember.

indeed - just a bit fucking annoyed - and confused - thats all

 

[Santino]

I should be applauded for spelling rogue correctly twice as well. Hard work that.

Congralutations.

 

[butchersapron]

Congralutations.

I would like to thank danny and danny.

Edit: and danny

 

[xenon]

Ok, got you. So basically as, I think, Balbi suggested Cameron is making sure that he can talk unchallenged.

I finally caught up with the last pages of the thread. I love this country, man. If it were Russia, the government would nationalise the UK subsidiary of the News Intl. and that would be the end of it, if it were the US, by now the offices of News Intl. would be taken over by the FBI agents and the building would be sealed. What an amazing experience just to be able to sit and observe all this.

he wants to at least to be seen getting a grip on the situation swirling around him. Subjudicy aside, if charges are brought, which will dampen much reportage. There'll be loads more to come out. he'll look like a twat shouting in a hurricane.

And yep. It's better than the World Cup for gripping Summer entertainment. I hope the momentum isn't lost and it's not just made a NI issue, which ultimately can be packaged up and flushed away.

 

[DexterTCN]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/video/2011/jul/12/phone-hacking-nick-davies-select-committee
This Guardian's Nick Davies does a wonderful 8 minute destruction of today's police evidence and other stuff.

The Guardian deserves the credit for its massive part in this.

Hope it hasn't been posted.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

but they're always printing left wing stuff and being all pretend left wing, i know they're not, i know it's bollocks, but it's this type of bullshit "radicalism" in the guardian and they always claim to support everything left wing, they have that repuation, they trade on that reputation, but nonetheless its the only paper some people i know trust to report anything remotely halfly objectively (and yes I know that they're a lib-dem paper etc) and i thought a lot of people read it thinking that they are, they're opposed to cuts, being all anti tory etc, and i do wonder if they're trading on the reputation of being opposed to cameron what they are doing warning him about a shit storm being about to hit his door ...

unless they are all navie, and think that cameron is a great guy with just some "wrong ideas" and wrong people like coulson, which being the proprietor of a national newspaper and probably having to have been as dirty as Murdoch on occasion I doubt rusbridger is ...

so yes I do think that attacking the guardian is relevant, their's some massive questions to be asked over their conduct as well (particularly with that report I posted the other day which mentioned the high level of observer journalists trying to sell/pay for private information on individuals)

since julian glover took over, the editorial line has become much more right wing/authoritarian in tone and content. but, you're right, they do present a more balanced view (and provide a space for alternative commentary) than most of the rest of the mainstream media combined.

i also think you need to separate out the actual published content from the editors and owners - its indisputable that cameron is deeply immersed in the same worlds and circles as rusbridger, (and therefore by simple extension, murdochs and co) and this quaint notion that none of these people ever talk about the day job when they meet socially is quite frankly ludicrous.

 

[weltweit]

Hugh Grant was just on NewsNight, he apparently now has an organisation called "Hacked Off" .. anyone heard about that and what it is up to?

Grant was pushing for the enquiries to be wider than just News International.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

The peerless Nick Davies analyses the Parliament v Plod stuff from today.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/video/2011/jul/12/phone-hacking-nick-davies-select-committee

ETA: Oh, we've had it. Never mind. Good enough to post at least twice.

 

[weltweit]

I have to assume that Mulcaire hid the number of the phone he was using to hack the mobile voicemails, otherwise the phone companies could probably identify his activity relatively easily by scanning their databases of activity looking for that number.

 

[xenon]

shameless fucking wanker eh? it's similtaneously cringe-worthy yet cunt-tasticly punchable.

I've yet to hear this. Today in Parlament R4 shortly will hopefully play his own words.

 

[Ms T]

Hugh Grant was just on NewsNight, he apparently now has an organisation called "Hacked Off" .. anyone heard about that and what it is up to?

Grant was pushing for the enquiries to be wider than just News International.

It's for victims of hacking. Milly Dowler's parents are involved too I think.

 

[DexterTCN]

The peerless Nick Davies analyses the Parliament v Plod stuff from today.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/video/2011/jul/12/phone-hacking-nick-davies-select-committee

ETA: Oh, we've had it. Never mind. Good enough to post at least twice.

Even three times

telegraph link

US ethics watchdogs yesterday called on the Senate and House of Representatives to investigate the parent company of News International and hold “thorough public hearings” on whether the voicemails of Americans had been hacked.

Oh my....

 

[Santino]

Late to the war, as per.

 

[butchersapron]

I have to assume that Mulcaire hid the number of the phone he was using to hack the mobile voicemails, otherwise the phone companies could probably identify his activity relatively easily by scanning their databases of activity looking for that number.

They might be able to identify him as Glen Mulcaire if he's not careful. The one who does the phone stuff.

 

[Pickman's model]

Late to the war, as per.

yeh but they're fighting on the important fox news front.

 

[DexterTCN]

Exactly.

 

[xenon]

I have to assume that Mulcaire hid the number of the phone he was using to hack the mobile voicemails, otherwise the phone companies could probably identify his activity relatively easily by scanning their databases of activity looking for that number.

Just use an unregistered pay as you go sim.

 

[frogwoman]

since julian glover took over, the editorial line has become much more right wing/authoritarian in tone and content. but, you're right, they do present a more balanced view (and provide a space for alternative commentary) than most of the rest of the mainstream media combined.

i also think you need to separate out the actual published content from the editors and owners - its indisputable that cameron is deeply immersed in the same worlds and circles as rusbridger, (and therefore by simple extension, murdochs and co) and this quaint notion that none of these people ever talk about the day job when they meet socially is quite frankly ludicrous.

yes, i'd agree with all of that.

 

[Pickman's model]

I have to assume that Mulcaire hid the number of the phone he was using to hack the mobile voicemails, otherwise the phone companies could probably identify his activity relatively easily by scanning their databases of activity looking for that number.

i think it was jack crawford in 'silence of the lambs' who says something along the lines of 'if you assume something you make an ass of you and me'. in this case, of course, you're just making an ass of yourself because - as xenon points out - an unregistered pay as you go, and more likely quite a few of them, were probably mulcaire's phones of choice.