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Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

My take. Which may be slightly different.

The shit is crap masquerading as journalism. A mix of celebrity fantasy and misrepresented reality designed to make the reader see a world in which most people are greedy, dishonest, violent, and obsessed by casual sex. Except for the reader and the reader's immediate family of course, who are merely showing an aesthetic interest in the breasts of the teenage girl on page three, and read with approval the editorial comments on the need to castrate anyone accused of paedophilia or the advisibility of hanging anyone claiming disability benefits, solely due to there concern about the welfare of their nearest and dearest and in no way because they enjoy getting violently angry about people they feel safe despising.

The problem is that whilst most readers of the tabloids don't actually believe their newspaper tells them the truth and nothing but the truth, they don't actually have much else in terms of information on politics. They may think they aren't being influenced, but the simple fact is that the constant drip of sensationalised garbage is nonetheless distorting their view of the world. It means that a very small number of newspaper editors and proprietors have a massive and covert influence over British politics.

That's the shit and that's the problem. The responsibility lies in accepting the shit and thus being part of the problem.

I'm not getting at Sun readers here. My view is that the entirety of the British press has gone downhill since the days of Harold Evans and co. There is no national newspaper that over the past decade hasn't had journalists faking stories, that hasn't had journalists acting beyond the law and well beyone morality to get the story they want, that doesn't routinely misrepresent people's views in order to create controversy that isn't really there, that doesn't routinely invade the privacy of perfectly ordinary people who just happen to be on the verges of a big news story. Even the Guardian, the Independent, and the Telegraph are part of this.

We shouldn't accept it. If journalists won't operate ethically and at least vaguely honestly then we shouldn't buy the garbage they produce. Any of it.

What happened was that the Mail and the Express headed towards the gutter in the seventies. Their circulation didn't drop. The Sun and the Mirror then dived below the gutter. Their circulation didn't drop. So when Murdoch bought the Times he lowered standards their, without a disastrous drop in circulation. So now none of the papers believes their readers give a toss about old fashioned obsolete ideas such as fact checking or right of reply.

top post. my mum reads the daily fail, but claims not to be even vaguely influenced by it's hateful politics. so what are her political beliefs?
too many immigrants, asylum seekers playing the system, the country rife with sex attackers and paedos...none of which she has any first hand experience of. or even second hand, for that matter
 
Did anyone else catch this from Hugh Grant on Question Time last Thursday?

Danny Alexander and many other New Labour ministers had been at a Murdoch garden party last week!!! Last week - well after the shit had hit the fan. I have no idea how Hugh Grant knew that but Danny Alexander was taken aback that he knew (what a worm that man is!) Just what were they thinking going to such a party at such a time?
 
My take. Which may be slightly different.

The shit is crap masquerading as journalism. A mix of celebrity fantasy and misrepresented reality designed to make the reader see a world in which most people are greedy, dishonest, violent, and obsessed by casual sex.

now we could talk all day about alienation, misogyny, violence within culture and why it has developed and the press' role in that (which i dont think is as great as you suggest), but thats where we're at - you can't socially engineer us away from that by legislating the press

basically your talking about aesthetics, tabloids may not suit everyones sense of taste, but lots of people read them

i agree their should be greater, or in fact equal right to redress for people without the money to hire lawyers, in fact its kind of my point, but that can be achieved without any need to further legislate against the media, although it doesn't seem to be particularly high on hugh grant's agenda

grant gave the game away when he talked of privacy being a commodity, my privacy is worth feck all - his is worth something, so i suppose it could be described as a commodity, but only because of the shit he claims to be so opposed to - he wants it both ways
 
Did anyone else catch this from Hugh Grant on Question Time last Thursday?

Danny Alexander and many other New Labour ministers had been at a Murdoch garden party last week!!! Last week - well after the shit had hit the fan. I have no idea how Hugh Grant knew that but Danny Alexander was taken aback that he knew (what a worm that man is!) Just what were they thinking going to such a party at such a time?
danny alexander is a lib dem.

you do know the difference between the lib dems and labour?
 
Does the point only apply to one paper, or can we stretch to include the entire basis of the thread?

4 in 10 papers sold on a Sunday were NotW. What were people buying ?

I think you can stretch it as far as your polemical purposes require. Thusly.

They were buying the NOTW. How does that effect my point at all? And that's the bit that you need to give an answer to. Given that you decided to duck the last direct question.
 
top post. my mum reads the daily fail, but claims not to be even vaguely influenced by it's hateful politics. so what are her political beliefs?
too many immigrants, asylum seekers playing the system, the country rife with sex attackers and paedos...none of which she has any first hand experience of. or even second hand, for that matter
You can get people who read the Mirror for example having similar attitudes.
Not everyone agrees 100% with the paper they read's editorial policy. Not everyone is even arsed enough about newspapers to buy the same one as well.
 
The problem is that whilst most readers of the tabloids don't actually believe their newspaper tells them the truth and nothing but the truth, they don't actually have much else in terms of information on politics.

they have their lives and their experiences which teaches people far more about politics than the fucking guardian ever will
 
btw: Im hearing lots of anecdotal evidence that the sun appears to be not selling so well today... Has anybody else noticed or heard?

Yep, as I posted earlier, in my local co-op around 5pm there were 1-12 copies left of most national papers and something like 50-60 copies of The Sun left, which is most unusual.

Of course it could have been a cock-up over the numbers delivered today, but I suspect not.
 
I think you can stretch it as far as your polemical purposes require. Thusly.

They were buying the NOTW. How does that effect my point at all? And that's the bit that you need to give an answer to. Given that you decided to duck the last direct question.

As agricola explained (albeit in different terms), your 'point' moves more frequently than Gadaffi being targeted by NATO.

Will Self was arguing the British public effectively incited NOtW to act in the way they did by buying it in vast quantities - 4 in 10 papers sold on a Sunday. They wanted it, they got it. Was his view. What's yours?
 
Unbelievable. The Sun's readership is a few million - and the total press readership deserves to have shit journalism because of that? Make some sense.

there's many millions who regularly pay for shit 'journalism'. a few hundred thousand paying for 'quality'. so market forces dictate shit 'journalism' thrives
qed we get what we deserve
 
Like most things, the point is about 3,000 feet over your head. Go back to the corner and put the hat on again.

as usual you don't even have a fucking point. the sunday papers, by their very nature, come out once a week. newsflash: most people who read newspapers (and that's not the entire population) will read a paper during the rest of the week. so what's bought on sundays is largely irrelevant - and in part because a lot of people who buy a paper the rest of the week don't on a sunday, with sunday papers' circulations being at least a couple of million down on the rest of the week. your 40% by the way is a lie. according to figures on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_United_Kingdom_by_circulation) it's nearer 30%
 
As agricola explained (albeit in different terms), your 'point' moves more frequently than Gadaffi being targeted by NATO.

Will Self was arguing the British public effectively incited NOtW to act in the way they did by buying it in vast quantities - 4 in 10 papers sold on a Sunday. They wanted it, they got it. Was his view. What's yours?

My point is exactly the same as it was when you first responded (inaccurately) to it.

The Sun's readership is a few million - and the total press readership deserves to have shit journalism because of that? Make some sense.

Your posts haven't addressed this point at all. Please, do address it, even link your posts above to it if you can. It's odd this, i suggest that Will Self is wrong and why i think that, you make some irrelevant posts then demand i tell you what i think of what Will Self said.
 
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