Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[gavman]

I wouldn't worry about it if I were you, I've just read the last 6-7 pages and until butchersapron showed up it was a far more interesting thread. Ignore until he posts something interesting.

true

 

[AKA pseudonym]

 

[gavman]

Yet your critical thinking would allow for protection of the poor but not the rich? You would like a category of undeserving rich for whom all tactics are fair game? How sensible a piece of critical thinking is that?

save your breath. here is one threshold never crossed by critical thinking

 

[weltweit]

Interesting not to hear significant accusations being raised about any ANY other media company. I don't think anyone can believe that it was only the News Of The World that was doing this hacking.

IIRC back when mobile phones were analogue, it was relatively easy to listen in on phone conversations as they were taking place. I am sure the media were active doing that and then when digital came along they were restricted into hacking voicemail, on which probably at the start no one had anything more than their default pin.

Not to excuse any of it but just to suggest where it came from.

 

[_angel_]

ebay

Now this is enterprising:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/News-World-Mu...llectables_Kitchenalia_RL&hash=item588ed3a864

 

[AKA pseudonym]

Pretty Graph of last 5 days effect on NEWS CORP share price...

 

[gavman]

No, I want an independent body blind-funded by a levy on the media, some hard and fast rules about press behaviour per se, and an independent adjudication, on a case by case basis, of what constitutes the "public interest" in a story, so that a paper might still publish a story that is adjudicated to have no public interest, but would have to declare that adjudication alongside the story.

perhaps I'm too idealistic.

and what about media ownership?
do we guarantee plurality under the current arrangements? i think we need to change the way media outlets are influenced and controlled, which means limiting the influence of any individual or organisation. i go back to my suggestion that newspapers should become worker's collectives, free from any outside control

 

[Pickman's model]

Actually, just fuck off with this. How about you show some clear thinking for a change. To my very first point about how reading the Sun and being politically aware are not two things that readily go hand in hand. Do you disagree? Do you disagree that everyone who buys this shit is a part of the problem? Do you disagree that they are complicit in the nasty tactics used to bring them their latest celebrity scoops, because everyone knew a lot of nasty shit went on?

"It's all just comics" doesn't wash, because the stories may be made-up but the people featured aren't. What other excuse is there for buying this? What fucking politics does buying the Sun every day represent aside from the politics of who gives a fuck?

Anything other than condemnation of this narrow-minded, mean-spirited culture is just pathetic reverse snobbery, claiming the tabloids as some kind of expression of working class culture, which is presumptuous, wrong and insulting - in fact, just the kind of drivel the Sun itself would come out with. 'Dedicated to the people of Britain' my fucking arse.

what makes you think people who read the sun aren't politically aware? what you in fact mean is that they aren't politically aware the way you'd like them to be, which is really rather patronising.

i've read and indeed bought the sun on and off for many years now, partly because they've had some bloody good riot coverage in the past, partly for the crossword (the only one i know where the simple and cryptic clues provide the same answers) and, frankly, partly for a laugh. this doesn't mean that in 1992 i was persuaded to vote tory by the famous anti-kinnock front cover or that i have been brain-washed by them. i don't see how people reading (or indeed buying) a paper necessarily leads to them being influenced as that paper's editors and journalists intended. and i definitely don't think my occasional reading of the sun makes me in any way, shape or form complicit in the nasty tactics used to garner their celebrity scoops. you're talking out your arse.

while the sun may not be an expression of working class culture, it is a reflection of aspects of that culture. that is, after all, why it is more widely read by working class people than papers like the times, telegraph or guardian.

 

[smokedout]

save your breath. here is one threshold never crossed by critical thinking

how would my critical thinking allow protection for the poor but not the rich?

 

[gavman]

'Everyone who buys this shit is part of the problem.'

I also said that. And I stand by that.

seconded. i think that's what will self was getting at on newsnight, implying we get the press we deserve

 

[butchersapron]

and what about media ownership?
do we guarantee plurality under the current arrangements? i think we need to change the way media outlets are influenced and controlled, which means limiting the influence of any individual or organisation. i go back to my suggestion that newspapers should become worker's collectives, free from any outside control

That's nothing to do with the question that VP was asked and that he was answering. He wasn't asked about ownership.

i think we need to change the way media outlets are influenced and controlled, which means limiting the influence of any individual or organisation

Does it? What's the logical link between the first point and the conclusion?

 

[Pickman's model]

Pretty Graph of last 5 days effect on NEWS CORP share price...

look on it over the past year and the shares are still a couple of pounds higher than this time last year. it's by no means the collapse you'd have us think.

 

[butchersapron]

save your breath. here is one threshold never crossed by critical thinking

What the hell does this mean?

 

[gavman]

how?

you've clearly said you don't think anyone famous is entitled to any privacy, just as mcmullen said to coogan. coogan's response was that he worked hard to get where he is, and at no point has he courted the tabloids

 

[Pickman's model]

What the hell does this mean?

in mathematical terms, 0

 

[_angel_]

seconded. i think that's what will self was getting at on newsnight, implying we get the press we deserve

Bollocks don't go along with the "it's all the publics fault".

 

[butchersapron]

seconded. i think that's what will self was getting at on newsnight, implying we get the press we deserve

Unbelievable. The Sun's readership is a few million - and the total press readership deserves to have shit journalism because of that? Make some sense.

 

[AKA pseudonym]

look on it over the past year and the shares are still a couple of pounds higher than this time last year. it's by no means the collapse you'd have us think.

its only the start.. pressure is being put an ALL Murdochs advertisers and investors....

 

[Pickman's model]

seconded. i think that's what will self was getting at on newsnight, implying we get the press we deserve

what toss

 

[killer b]

seconded. i think that's what will self was getting at on newsnight, implying we get the press we deserve

yes. he's a sneering cunt too.

 

[butchersapron]

you've clearly said you don't think anyone famous is entitled to any privacy, just as mcmullen said to coogan. coogan's response was that he worked hard to get where he is, and at no point has he courted the tabloids

Ah, you disagree with him - therefore he is incapable of 'critical thinking'. Well done gav.

 

[butchersapron]

Where's Blair in this btw? And Campbell?

 

[Pickman's model]

its only the start.. pressure is being put an ALL Murdochs advertisers and investors....

meanwhile back in the real world...

 

[gavman]

when you say bullshit, you mean stuff that doesnt interest you i suppose

'material that interests the public but isn't in the public interest'. gossip, scandal, tittle tattle, none of it news, none of it journalism

 

[AKA pseudonym]

btw: Im hearing lots of anecdotal evidence that the sun appears to be not selling so well today... Has anybody else noticed or heard?

 

[gavman]

not at all, by bullshit I mean all the nasty xenophobic, bigoted shit that they pour out every day.

and this

 

[AKA pseudonym]

meanwhile back in the real world...

and thats what people said at the start of this week ffs... feck negativism.. post inane drivel or do something.. peoples choice really...

 

[butchersapron]

'material that interests the public but isn't in the public interest'. gossip, scandal, tittle tattle, none of it news, none of it journalism

So ban it. So exactly as smokedout said.

You may only publish what the state decides is in the public interest. In the name of freedom.

 

[Pickman's model]

and thats what people said at the start of this week ffs... feck negativism.. post inane drivel or do something.. peoples choice really...

the news corp share price has not collapsed, it shows no signs of collapse, it is trading at the same level as it was a month ago. have you looked at the fucking share price graph over the past year or are you making this up as you go along?

 

[weltweit]

Where's Blair in this btw? And Campbell?

Most of it happenned on their watch.

And the police hashed the first investigation at that time too, despite having a shed load of information on who was being hacked. (2006)