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Millwall fans conform with stereotype shocker ....
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Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
What the fuck you playing at, Rob?
Wind it in a bit and take a break if you have to but this is silly.
BristolEcho
Well-Known Member
The suggestion of kicking Millwall out the league is utterly ridiculous to be fair, but I don't think there is any point in engaging Fav over it as his decision is well and truly made.
Ten minutes on the City forum tells you there is an undertone there for some people and some people blatantly out there. There's also the other side to that as well and it's usually challenged both at games and here.
Ten minutes on the City forum tells you there is an undertone there for some people and some people blatantly out there. There's also the other side to that as well and it's usually challenged both at games and here.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Except that Millwall fans booed players taking a knee today inside the ground on the first day back.
Just a few bad apples of course.
FA and EFL condemn Millwall fans for booing as players take a knee
The Football Association and the Football League have condemned Millwall fans who marked their return to the Den by booing as players took a knee before the match against Derby
purenarcotic
Conveniently Pocket Sized
This is just appalling. They should have been booted out before play was allowed to continue.
Athos
Well-Known Member
I'd rather players stopped 'taking the knee'. It changes nothing, whilst giving racists something to rally around - I expect to see more and more booing at other clubs - against which it's hard for the clubs to push back; they can't ban people for booing, becuase it has 'plausible deniability' as a non-racist act i.e. people who are motivated by racism can claim that they're booing beause the BLM movement isn't just anti-racist, but has other political demands which they reject e.g. defunding the police. There's so much more than this gesture that fans, clubs, and the footballl authorities could - should! - do to seriously tackle racism; an area in which many have woefully failed for far too long.
Treacle Toes
Time
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
I don't know how a non-racist can stand there week after week and be happy with the situation at Millwall. I don't buy the 'it's just a minority' line for a few reasons, but would you even be happy going as some kind of apologist majority? I wouldn't.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It was a player-led initiative. tbh I think just about the opposite of this - the fact that there was booing today was a fucking disgrace, but they can't really stop doing it now because of the booing.
Athos
Well-Known Member
Yeah, it'd be hard to stop now, which is why it's a bit of a hostage to fortune, if more racists feel emboldened to boo.
Treacle Toes
Time
Millwall have been booing and attacking the very existence of Black people/players for as long as I can remember. I worked at the club as a steward in the early 1990's. I wasn't even safe in the family enclosure. The Kick it out campaign was started in 1993.
Athos
Well-Known Member
Kick It Out has become a fig leaf for the FA's (and some club's) sorry lack of any serious committment to tackling racism. We need lifetime bans for players and fans caught racially abusing enyone, and stiff punoshements for clubs and national federations that's don't do enough to stamp it out - it wouldn't take many punitive relegations/expulsion from competitions before the non-racist majority in every club told the racists to fuck off (albeit it's sad that it takes that).
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Very pleased that there was no booing at Stamford Bridge and even a bit of clapping . Unfortunately we are 1-0 down .
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
If it worked at Stamford Bridge, we're probably going to be fine. It's going to be Millwall that is the only problem, or the main problem.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Or anti racist supporters can organise against the racists and try and set the tone
Athos
Well-Known Member
I hope you're right, but I fear it'll be more widespread.
Athos
Well-Known Member
I hope so. And I know there's some committed anti-fascists at Millwall.
ska invita
back on the other side
racists always have something to rally around whether you give it to them or not
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Totally. I don't get the defeatist attitude tbh. It doesn't seem to amount to much more than 'don't do anti-racism cos it will upset racists'. They need confronting, not placating.
big boulder, massive hill
Athos
Well-Known Member
There's some truth to that, but why make it easy for them?
I guess part of it that it's become an automatic gesture, such that it's not 'doing anti-racism' in any real sense. I'm so for confronting racists; I just don't think that continuing with the knee thing is the best tactic.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Minister fails to condemn Millwall fans who booed players taking a knee
Kick It Out chair chides George Eustice for ‘lazy conflation’ and providing cover for racists
Don't know why but this surprised me
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
I think it’s simply a matter of what works. The vast majority of football fans, whatever their wider views, have absorbed the message that racism is unacceptable and vanishingly few white fans wouldn’t cheer on any black player doing well for the team.
But many people are uncomfortable with taking the knee. They see it as a form of subservience, of being demonstratively told what to think and often that gets the opposite reaction. It’s sometimes hard to reconcile this view because it often comes with much received nonsense, like black people get special treatment etc. But ultimately if it does become a flashpoint and one that the clubs can’t win it won’t be good. Is it the right confrontation is the question? Is any useful dialogue emerging?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yes
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