Milk's impact on the planet dairy, soya, rice, oat and almond compared

[beesonthewhatnow]

Well I wouldn't want to derail too much, but here's my quick tips for cooking with Quorn:

Time - Quorn products don't want to sit around stewing for very long. That's the main mistake people make, and the main reason why people often experience it as texture-less pap. Ideally, if you are making a stew or curry or similar, make the base first (onions, herbs, vegetables, tomatoes, spices, etc.) and slow-cook that, then cook the Quorn stuff towards the end as a separate batch, then combine. Sometimes I 'sacrifice' a small amount of the Quorn to the stew at the beginning just to add a bit of flavour.

The two main things that Quorn is missing as a 'meat' are tasty fats and fluid. Best way to restore these is to fry off the seasoned Quorn (cold press Rape Seed oil is best) till they brown a little, and then for the last minute or so add a tiny bit of vegetable or mushroom stock (around a tablespoon or two). Let that just sizzle off through the Quorn and it will both steam it into completion, and infuse it with some vital moistness.

The little Quorn chicken pieces are generally useless as they are too small and dry out really quickly. You're better off using the fillets chopped into slightly larger strips or irregular pieces.
With the mince, turn the heat up quite high and aim to get some of the bits quite crispy (though not all of them).

I’m guessing the hotel chilli I tried had been stewing for hours, explains a lot

 

[Stanley Edwards]

Oh, now you've done it.

Haven't read the entire thread...

Lisbon is currently booming. You will find health food shops where you least expect them. They are so bloody expensive I feel like 'bad boy in town' the Minute I open the door. Fucked if I am paying for feeling guilty when the friendly shop sells nice milk from happy cows.

 

[stuff_it]

The US is the biggest producer of soybeans, which I didn't know:



Production of soybeans in leading countries worldwide, 2012-2017 | Statistic

I think they use a lot of it for livesstock feed to be fair. 70% according to their own government: https://www.usda.gov/sites/default/files/documents/coexistence-soybeans-factsheet.pdf

 

[8ball]

Haven't read the entire thread...

Lisbon is currently booming. You will find health good shops where you least expect them. They are so bloody expensive I feel like 'bad boy in town' the Minute I open the door. Fucked if I am paying for feeling guilty when the friendly shop sells nice milk from happy cows.

You're doing this on purpose, aren't you?

 

[stuff_it]

no more bbq kids

Only not OK if you put them in clearcut rainforest pens and feed then half of Peru's quinoa crop to fatten them up.

 

[Stanley Edwards]

You're doing this on purpose, aren't you?

Nope
I am out of here. Bulls in China shops...

 

[8ball]

Nope
I am out of here. Bulls in China shops...

No, don't go.

 

[Saul Goodman]

There is always an alternative to 'abject cruelty' milk. You could buy your milk from an ethical milk supplier.
The first two I found on Googgle:
http://www.theethicaldairy.co.uk/
THECALFATFOOTDAIRY
I''m sure there are many more, and plenty of micro dairies that treat their animals well, and I''m certain they'll be much cheaper than the silly prices charged for these milk 'alternatives'.

 

[stuff_it]

There is always an alternative to 'abject cruelty' milk. You could buy your milk from an ethical milk supplier.
The first two I found on Googgle:
Welcome to The Ethical Dairy | The Ethical Dairy
THECALFATFOOTDAIRY
I''m sure there are many more, and plenty of micro dairies that treat their animals well, and I''m certain they'll be much cheaper than the silly prices charged for these milk 'alternatives'.

Now I want to mail-order £3o of cheesse.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Now I want to mail-order £3o of cheesse.

Was the ss in cheesse meant to complement my gg in Googgle?
My keyboard is doubling up on most things, probably in anticipation of a hard Brexit.

 

[stuff_it]

Was the ss in cheesse meant to complement my gg in Googgle?
My keyboard is doubling up on most things, probably in anticipation of a hard Brexit.

M ine too, though I think in my case it's too much caffine.

 

[8ball]

I''m sure there are many more, and plenty of micro dairies that treat their animals well, and I''m certain they'll be much cheaper than the silly prices charged for these milk 'alternatives'.

The alternatives I've tried haven't been so expensive, though I cannot vouch for how the almonds are treated.

edit: Just checked the prices - they are way more than the mass-market vegan alternatives.

 

[editor]

There is always an alternative to 'abject cruelty' milk. You could buy your milk from an ethical milk supplier.
The first two I found on Googgle:
Welcome to The Ethical Dairy | The Ethical Dairy

So how do those two teensy tiny farms get the fresh milk to the doors of people all around the country then? And how much does it cost?

 

[Saul Goodman]

The alternatives I've tried haven't been so expensive, though I cannot vouch for how the almonds are treated.

edit: Just checked the prices - they are way more than the mass-market vegan alternatives.

Yeah, I just checked and they're not cheap, but they do come with a level of smug that far exceeds the level of smug achievable from bean and nut 'alternative' milk.
Pea juice drinkers can only say they drink pea juice, while ethical milk consumers can boast that they actually care for actual animals. There really is no contest. Milk for the win!

 

[Saul Goodman]

So how do those two teensy tiny farms get the fresh milk to the doors of people all around the country then? And how much does it cost?

The information is all there on their respective websites. I'm not doing your homework for you, without payment.

 

[8ball]

Yeah, I just checked and they're not cheap, but they do come with a level of smug that far exceeds the level of smug achievable from bean and nut 'alternative' milk.
Pea juice drinkers can only say they drink pea juice, while ethical milk consumers can boast that they actually care for actual animals. There really is no contest. Milk for the win!

I really don’t think that’s how it works.

But anyway, the plant stuff will still have the edge in terms of environmental concerns.

 

[Saul Goodman]

I really don’t think that’s how it works.

That's how what works?

 

[editor]

The information is all there on their respective websites. I'm not doing your homework for you, without payment.

You posted them up as an example of a practical alternative, so perhaps you should provide the relevant information. How would someone buy this 'ethical' milk? And how is it delivered and how much does it cost?

But I can tell you first link is complete nonsense because they don't even sell milk

 

[8ball]

That's how what works?

The moral smugness thing.

 

[editor]

Yeah, I just checked and they're not cheap, but they do come with a level of smug that far exceeds the level of smug achievable from bean and nut 'alternative' milk.

"Level of smug"?

 

[Saul Goodman]

You posted them up as an example of a practical alternative, so perhaps you should provide the relevant information. How would someone buy this 'ethical' milk? And how is it delivered and how much does it cost?

But I can tell you first link is complete nonsense because they don't even sell milk

Your Proper milk is packed & delivered by overnight courier in environmentally sensitive WoolCool (multi-re-useable & compostable) sheeps wool lined cardboard boxes with ice. This keeps things cool enough for at least 48hrs even in the warmer weather.
Proper milk is £3 per litre

 

[Saul Goodman]

"Level of smug"?

Which seems to be your goal. I'm trying to show you that there are alternatives.

 

[editor]

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Err, that's from the second link, so nice try but you've been caught out.
And you think sending a carton of milk by courier is a sustainable alternative? Really?

 

[editor]

Which seems to be your goal. I'm trying to show you that there are alternatives.

Filling the roads with couriers transporting expensive milk from a tiny little dairy across hundreds of miles doesn't seem much of a practical alternative to me.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Err, that's from the second link, so nice try but you've been caught out.
And you think sending a carton of milk by courier is a sustainable alternative? Really?

I posted the first two links for 'ethical dairy' I found on Google.
Caught out? Grow up, FFS
At least the milk is from the UK, as opposed to all of your 'alternative' milks

 

[editor]

I posted the first two links for 'ethical dairy' I found on Google.

And the first didn't even sell milk. Which is what this thread is all about.

So you think sending milk by courier is a practical alternative?

 

[Saul Goodman]

Filling the roads with couriers transporting expensive milk from a tiny little dairy across hundreds of miles doesn't seem much of a practical alternative to me.

Then, as Norman Tebbit said, get on your bike

 

[Saul Goodman]

And the first didn't even sell milk. Which is what this thread is all about.

So you think sending milk by courier is a practical alternative?

So you think coloured water is a practical alternative to milk?

 

[editor]

So you think coloured water is a practical alternative to milk?

No one is selling 'coloured water.' If you're incapable of uttering anything sensible or on-topic please leave the thread.

 

[Saul Goodman]

And the first didn't even sell milk. Which is what this thread is all about.

So go and delete the first link and accept my apologies for not checking their website before posting the link.