8ball
Decolonise colons!
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Milk's impact on the planet dairy, soya, rice, oat and almond compared
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Maybe it would go better for you if you tried re-reading posts after a nice cup of tea and a sit down.
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hiraethified
So you're unable to talk about the other almond milks that you can't dismiss so readily? That figures.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Fucking hell. Have you had a bang on the head or something?
Mrs Miggins
Eternal
OK - here's the ingredients list for Alpro unsweetened almond milk
- Water,
- Almond (2.3%),
- Calcium (Tri-Calcium Phosphate),
- Sea Salt,
- Stabilisers (Locust Bean Gum, Gellan Gum),
- Emulsifier (Sunflower Lecithin),
- Vitamins (Riboflavin (B2), B12, E, D2)
Mrs Miggins
Eternal
How should you cook it then?
(This is a serious question from someone who is interested in reducing meat consumption).
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Yeah, the "innocent" stuff is also 94% water.
I was more surprised by the very low content of almonds, I expected there to be a few ancillary agreements in there with the supplements.
Then again, almonds are pretty expensive, so I'm not sure what proportion I was expecting, I'd kind of assumed you might need to squish a lot to get a decent amount of milk, hence why few people seem to squish their own.
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hiraethified
Why are you ignoring the Innocent one I posted up earlier? That has none of that shit in it.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
tbf milk milk is also mostly water. 
Mrs Miggins
Eternal
I wasn't ignoring it, I just cliecked on the Alpro one first to see what the difference was.
The Innocent ones have 3-4 ingredients and are still mostly water!
I'm not bothered about the sugar content of these drinks, nor indeed the "chemicals". I'm just saying I can't see a reason to buy them as a way to reduce dairy consumption. For me. Personally. I'd rather just drink less milk.
The Innocent ones have 3-4 ingredients and are still mostly water!
I'm not bothered about the sugar content of these drinks, nor indeed the "chemicals". I'm just saying I can't see a reason to buy them as a way to reduce dairy consumption. For me. Personally. I'd rather just drink less milk.
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hiraethified
I do find it a little bit funny when people get sniffy about some of the ingredients in non-dairy drinks, but when it comes to sucking on the hormone-infused, cruelty-laced, unnaturally produced milk that was supposed to be for the offspring of an entirely different species, well that's just fine and dandy.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
tbf milk milk is also mostly water.
True, though it doesn't pretend to have the environmental cred.
Selling water is every marketer's dream.
Something a little more condensed which you could dilute would seem a little more honest.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
More about the lack of ingredients, really.
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hiraethified
OK that's fair enough. I don't like Alpro are they do tend to stick a load of stuff into all their drinks. There really are PLENTY of almond drinks that have simple non-sugar/chemicals ingredients and plenty of other dairy alternatives that are free from that kind of stuff too. Focusing on one particularly bad example seems a bit counter productive if you're interested in looking at other options.
Example - Rude Health Foods | Almond Drink - Organic | 1 x 250ml
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hiraethified
Oh come on - milk has long been sold on its supposed naturalness with pictures of happy cows grazing on green pastures. It's only since activists have been revealing the truth about dairy practices that the alternatives have grown popular.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yes, that's a fair point. Also significantly more environmentally friendly by cutting down transport costs.
Mrs Miggins
Eternal
I'm not getting fucking sniffy about the ingredients!! What the fuck!
All along, all I've said is that I don't like the taste of these drinks, they are not a good enough subsititue for milk for me so I'm not going to buy them. Me. Just me. I'm not telling anyone else what they should do.
And because they are mostly water, I cannot see anything contained in them that would give me a substantial enough health benefit to warrant buying them either.
I will say it again.....I WOULD RATHER JUST REDUCE MY CONSUMPTION OF MILK
Which I am doing.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Hmmm. Problem with this kind of thing is that drinking the milk 'intended for the offspring of entirely different species' has very deep roots in human society, so much so that a big chunk of the population has evolved to produce lactase life-long as a result. And given how cows have been bred, they actually produce far more milk than any offspring would need, so really, all that milk is intended for us. Not defending any practices here, but emotional reactions of this kind don't help an argument imo when the points made are either untrue or irrelevant. There's a danger of a weird kind of self-hate here due to the things our ancestors did that have led to the human domination of the planet that we are all now a part of.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Well, the Alpro stuff has some of the stuff you’d get from milk milk, but it’s largely added in (which doesn’t bother me either).
But can’t really argue about whether you like the taste. Except to say that you are, of course, worse than Hitler.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Although when I tried it way back then it was bloody awful, seemingly on purpose.
Tried some last year and it waa much nicer.
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hiraethified
Now that is priceless. Why do you think they might be producing more milk that they need? And what do you think happens to some of their offspring?
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
It's fortunate for the dairy industry that they don't have to list blood, pus, hormones and antibiotics as ingredients in their products.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
'Blood' or 'some of the same components as blood, such as white blood cells, which occur throughout the body'? Hyperbole doesn't help here, does it?
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Yeah, but those are pretty generic nature/health messages as opposed to sustainability as such.
And while it’s fair to say there is a good degree of dishonesty there, the same is true of these big businesses, such as the Coca Cola company, that ship tonnes of water back and forth under the guise of being part of the solution.
Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
After a particularly grim vegan cheese experience in the 1990s Mr P is convinced that he doesn't like vegan cheese and won't be drawn into my 'but it's really improved!' arguments.
Can anyone recommend a good one that will prove him wrong? It needs to be really good. Then I can keep buying it.
It might make up for the 15 + pints per week of milk that my family gets through (a bit).
Can anyone recommend a good one that will prove him wrong? It needs to be really good. Then I can keep buying it.
It might make up for the 15 + pints per week of milk that my family gets through (a bit).
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Are pesticides listed as ingredients on your holier than thou foods?
alsoknownas
some bloke
Well I wouldn't want to derail too much, but here's my quick tips for cooking with Quorn:
Time - Quorn products don't want to sit around stewing for very long. That's the main mistake people make, and the main reason why people often experience it as texture-less pap. Ideally, if you are making a stew or curry or similar, make the base first (onions, herbs, vegetables, tomatoes, spices, etc.) and slow-cook that, then cook the Quorn stuff towards the end as a separate batch, then combine. Sometimes I 'sacrifice' a small amount of the Quorn to the stew at the beginning just to add a bit of flavour.
The two main things that Quorn is missing as a 'meat' are tasty fats and fluid. Best way to restore these is to fry off the seasoned Quorn (cold press Rape Seed oil is best) till they brown a little, and then for the last minute or so add a tiny bit of vegetable or mushroom stock (around a tablespoon or two). Let that just sizzle off through the Quorn and it will both steam it into completion, and infuse it with some vital moistness.
The little Quorn chicken pieces are generally useless as they are too small and dry out really quickly. You're better off using the fillets chopped into slightly larger strips or irregular pieces.
With the mince, turn the heat up quite high and aim to get some of the bits quite crispy (though not all of them).
Calamity1971
If Mr Peanut says It's okay, then it is.
Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
Thank you 8ball and Calamity1971 - now I know what I'm looking for I can find it and get it onto a cheeseboard before he notices 
