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hiraethified
I don't need to eat meat and haven't done so for decades. Stop making up daft, obscure scenarios.
Milk's impact on the planet dairy, soya, rice, oat and almond compared
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ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
so you believe the first link you come across??
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Vegetarian and vegan diets Q&A
Do vegetarians and vegans need vitamin supplements?
With good planning and an understanding of what makes up a healthy, balanced vegetarian and vegan diet, you can get all the nutrients your body needs to be healthy without the need for supplements.
However, if your diet isn't planned properly, you could miss out on essential nutrients. Vegetarians need to make sure they get enough iron and vitamin B12, and vegans enough calcium, iron and vitamin B12. Women are thought to be at particular risk of iron deficiency, including those on a vegetarian or vegan diet.
Some groups are advised to take vitamin supplements, regardless of whether they follow a vegetarian or vegan diet. For more information, see:
Do vegetarians and vegans need vitamin supplements?
With good planning and an understanding of what makes up a healthy, balanced vegetarian and vegan diet, you can get all the nutrients your body needs to be healthy without the need for supplements.
However, if your diet isn't planned properly, you could miss out on essential nutrients. Vegetarians need to make sure they get enough iron and vitamin B12, and vegans enough calcium, iron and vitamin B12. Women are thought to be at particular risk of iron deficiency, including those on a vegetarian or vegan diet.
Some groups are advised to take vitamin supplements, regardless of whether they follow a vegetarian or vegan diet. For more information, see:
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
I've already halved my meat intake, and I source all my meat from one farm, which treats its animals very well. That's my bit done.
Baronage-Phase
Well-Known Member
What interest/industry is your "healthline" source btw?
Have you ever spoken with a nutritionist on this? I've had to get help from a nutritionist because I was constantly losing muscle. I was told in no uncertain terms to eat meat....that I needed it. When I asked about a vegetarian diet (at the time I was not eating meat) I was told that if I wanted to recover muscle tissue that I really needed to start eating meat again. That my muscles would have wasted away if I were to rely on a vegetarian diet to do the job.
I have a muscular condition where my immune system attacks muscle. So I have to keep working on maintaining muscle. Its a never ending thing. And I eat as little meat as possible....twice a week.
I know I can never be a vegan. But if I were I know that vegans need supplements because there are certain vitamins and minerals that just don't transfer from a plant based diet....most vegans know this.
Baronage-Phase
Well-Known Member
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
how do you KNOW this? where is your (proper) evidence?
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
treated so well they kill them, lolz
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
They don't kill them. They arrive at the abattoir alive. Maybe you should learn a little before spouting it as fact.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
they send them to slaughter then, pedant
maomao
普費斯
Have you looked at protein shakes? Not as a vegan thing, most of them aren't, but if you're trying to build muscle it may make it easier to plan your protein intake around what exercise you are able to do. Sausages for dinner followed by a walk the following afternoon is not a very efficient way to build muscle.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Of course they do. That's the whole point in growing them. What would you suggest farmers do with their livestock? Gift wrap them and send them out live with santa, but only to the good children?
Baronage-Phase
Well-Known Member
Here's just a bit on vitamin b12.
Medical Journal.
Vitamin B12 and vegetarian diets
By the way...I'm not trying to persuade anyone to eat meat. If veganism is ok for you then that is really great. I'd like to be able to be a vegan. I've just not been able to be healthy as a vegetarian so I seriously doubt I can do veganism.....
I'm just saying that like it or not, meat is an excellent source of nutrition. And one that should not be eliminated completely as an option.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
"stock"
I believe animals shouldn't be "stock" in the first place
Baronage-Phase
Well-Known Member
I can't build muscle normally. It's a maintenance thing. I'm trying to hold on to what I have. I can't do vigorous exercise because any inflammation afterwards can lead to further muscle destruction..
So exercises are very defined and gentle. Low weights. Nothing that can cause any muscle strain.
I have had protein shakes. My problem is that my liver is also affected. I can eat a chicken breast twice a week and digest it without any problem. But filling up on protein shakes daily is not an option. High protein can be a problem if you have autoimmune cirrhosis.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
There aren't many things you can replace on them. I guess you could add a cow bell but I I prefer mine stock.
alsoknownas
some bloke
I have acquired a fine batch of MCT oil, and some grass-fed butter, and am planning to go all bulletproof and that, tomorrow. Will report back.
alsoknownas
some bloke
So, I haz bulletproof coffee.
For unaware, is feted 'paleo' recipe with alleged health benefits, energy, cognitive functioning, etc.
Details here:
https://blog.bulletproof.com/how-to-make-your-coffee-bulletproof-and-your-morning-too/
I made it cos I unexpectedly got hold of some MCT oil I was able to try out.
So, it was nice enough. Like many non-milk things though I felt it just obscured parts of the coffee flavour profile, which is something I'm particularly not keen on (I don't like brown sugar in coffee for the same reason). I had no sensation of oiliness at all (a complaint from some reviews). Overall it was a pleasant coffee, but inferior in taste to a milky one.
As for the health benefits, who knows? I'm nicely buzzed for sure, but - that butter content! Fuck consuming that every morning.
eta: I had actually intended to post all this on the coffee thread, so I'm probably gonna cross-post there.
For unaware, is feted 'paleo' recipe with alleged health benefits, energy, cognitive functioning, etc.
Details here:
https://blog.bulletproof.com/how-to-make-your-coffee-bulletproof-and-your-morning-too/
I made it cos I unexpectedly got hold of some MCT oil I was able to try out.
So, it was nice enough. Like many non-milk things though I felt it just obscured parts of the coffee flavour profile, which is something I'm particularly not keen on (I don't like brown sugar in coffee for the same reason). I had no sensation of oiliness at all (a complaint from some reviews). Overall it was a pleasant coffee, but inferior in taste to a milky one.
As for the health benefits, who knows? I'm nicely buzzed for sure, but - that butter content! Fuck consuming that every morning.
eta: I had actually intended to post all this on the coffee thread, so I'm probably gonna cross-post there.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
You can't get past this fact in any of these debates. You do at least understand that others think differently from you on this?
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Don't give a fuck what you think you tedious twerp and self appointed expert on everything
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hiraethified
WTF is 'grass-fed butter'?
alsoknownas
some bloke
Sadly I'm assuming it means from cows that have just been eating grass and not all other kinds of shit, but I don't know the details (and am a bit worried about further investigation). As a reference, only one widely available product claims to be 100% grass fed, as far as I could tell
.eta: Kerrygold btw.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
See what's this now? You don't want to engage. You just want to say how much better you are. Tedious? Yep, unbelievably so.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I thought that was me
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
It's Thraigo, ffs. That's all he does!
No and the thought of it is likely to give me nightmares.
editor
hiraethified
More so than suckling the milk from another animal's teats?
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
There's nothing better than lying on your back in a field with your lips around a cow's milk tubes. It gives me instant wood.
