brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Think you might be confusing means and factors, there....unless you're a tool?
Middle class anxiety
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8ball
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I prefer the term instrument.
oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
I don't think I've missed your point - it's fairly obvious, just badly made and as I said full of stereotypes. Your thread title doesn't suggest everyone has a right to be worried. Your reference to centre ground types who dress up in yellow and blue did make me wonder if you meant LibDems and other centrists, that's all.
What makes you think a lot of middle class people weren't outraged about austerity (and poverty, and the use of foodbanks, and the decimation of public services, etc.)? (And also the Iraq war, CJB etc. which others mentioned). The vast majority of people here on urban strike me as middle class and are as a whole very anti-austerity.
Who are the 'middle class' anyway? Are they one huge remain-voting lump?
Is anyone becoming unhinged, really?Are no working class people becoming unhinged? Did other working class people care more about the position of those suffering from austerity? Etc. Etc.
seventh bullet
sovietwave
It annoys me that it's assumed working class people don't post on here.
8ball
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Ok, new rule - everyone has to list their relationship to the means of production in their tagline.
seventh bullet
sovietwave
You're not funny but you think you are. Mind you, I liked your post stating working class people don't often experience othering by middle class people if they mainly live in working class areas. That was funny.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Absolutely, although probably no one over 35.
I guess you move in weird circles. Posh teenage trots?
SpackleFrog
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8ball
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Was hard to get 'othered' by the middle classes at my school, unless all teachers automatically count as middle class.
Hey ho, maybe you're from an urban centre or maybe you're a deeply stupid fuck, can't say it matters.
seventh bullet
sovietwave
I wasn't aware the world revolves around your anecdotal experience.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Well you did because you asked if I meant current LibDem voters previously critical of the coalition. Which I didn't (or at least not in isolation).
It can't be that obvious because you completely misunderstood it
Cheers. They're not stereotypes if they're true though. I've personally witnessed many unhinged middle class people with stalls and blue and yellow balloons and every news broadcast outside parliament is punctured with lone weirdos shouting.
It doesn't suggest zebras are mammals either. The title is middle class anxiety. The topic is contemporary middle class political anxiety and why it is apparent now over this political event but absent from other, significantly materially detrimental, recent political events. That would have been a long title though.
That'd the colours of the EU flag tho
I'm sure lots were. But if you read my posts again, I talk about the tone of press coverage and the level of political outrage. If you think the middle class response to austerity was even a fraction of its response to BREXIT then you're fucking mad
It's a good thing I was talking about society generally rather than one tiny weird internet backwater then
The middle class doesn't exist, ok cheers
No, people voted lots of different ways for lots of different reasons, although there is a wealth of data out there about which NRS categories etc voted what. It's interesting stuff, you should google it.
Categorically yes, really
Probably, I don't know them all to ask. It's more about social phenomena than the individual. For clarity, like.
Yes.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Dunno what the random italics are about
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
that's quotes for you
8ball
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Isn't that just what quotes do?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh i just said that
Proper Tidy
Arsed
No I mean why one sentence ended up smaller font in italics and grey but anyway it doesn't matter does it
8ball
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Hilarious.
8ball
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And then I said the thing wot I said.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
not really, no
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you're just angling for likes
8ball
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Yeah? Go on the feedback forum and suggest it doesn't matter.
8ball
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you're just angling for likes
I'm pretty sure I'm way too far down the 'like' league tables for that to be worthwhile.
seventh bullet
sovietwave
Exactly.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
~26,000? yeh you're a ways off, atm.
8ball
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But hey, anyway, kind of trying to steer back on topic re: PT's OP (and I haven't checked exhaustively to see if anyone has already said this) - I think part of the reason for the 'austerity plan's' lack of impact in terms of rousing the middle classes was that it chimes with a lot of what are considered pre-existing middle-class values (modesty, frugality, tightening the belt when necessary, deferred gratification etc.). All of which is linked to a degree of economic security.
Also that shitty argument that was likening the country to a household in terms of income - that had a lot of sway with a lot of people. The fact that the MP's spouting it actually (imo) believed it helped them sell it, too.
Also that shitty argument that was likening the country to a household in terms of income - that had a lot of sway with a lot of people. The fact that the MP's spouting it actually (imo) believed it helped them sell it, too.
The biggest distinction between haves and have nots is property. And whilst their equity was increasing faster than salaries, many middle class academics and professionals were not only staying silent...but jumping aboard the BTL bandwagon. Now the next middle class generation are facing a life in rental properties, we suddenly have a housing crisis. I guarantee, the term 'housing crisis' will not have been in mainstream usage before 2010 or thereabouts...when this has been a project some 40 years in the making.
And even now, what has been the official response? A sop to 'affordable' housing, a minuscule percentage of all new developments assigned to social housing and a fucking slew of shittty sheds (Tiny houses!) and temporary housing in office blocks. I totally guarantee that the vast swathes of 'student housing' hamster cages, which have spring up like mushrooms in every urban site, will be the future slums for entire families.
And even now, what has been the official response? A sop to 'affordable' housing, a minuscule percentage of all new developments assigned to social housing and a fucking slew of shittty sheds (Tiny houses!) and temporary housing in office blocks. I totally guarantee that the vast swathes of 'student housing' hamster cages, which have spring up like mushrooms in every urban site, will be the future slums for entire families.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
if you think people are squealing now, wait until interest rates go up from their rockbottom level to 3, 5 or even 10%, then you'll see proper middle class anxiety as the debt they've saddled themselves with comes home to roost.
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8ball
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What do you think will trigger that?
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