Mass stabbing at Southport Kids’ Club 29/7/24

[DrunkJournalist]

I suspect Axel Rudakubana is in the early stages of a psychotic illness. I would think within a couple of years he will be transferred to a secure psychiatric unit.

 

[Levi Phát]

I suspect Axel Rudakubana is in the early stages of a psychotic illness.

Whatever gave you that impression?

 

[GarveyLives]

The 16 charges to which Axel Muganwa Rudakubana has now pleaded guilty are as follows:

- Murder of three girls on 29 July 2024: Alice da Silva Aguiar, aged nine; Bebe King, aged six; and and Elsie Dot Stancombe, aged seven;

- Attempted murder of 10 people on the same day. They include eight children, who cannot be named, and two adult victims - class instructor Leanne Lucas and businessman John Hayes;

- Possession of a knife on the day of the stabbings, 29 July 2024;

- Production of a biological toxin, ricin, a deadly poison, on or before 29 July 2024; and

- A terrorism offence - possession of information likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing to commit an act of terrorism. This relates to a PDF file entitled "Military Studies In The Jihad Against The Tyrants, The Al Qaeda Training Manual" which he is said to have possessed between 29 August 2021 and 30 July 2024.

The ricin and the al-Qaeda document were found during searches of his home where he lived with his parents, after the attack.

Axel Muganwa Rudakubana, who is autistic, had been under the supervision of social services, and local authority workers would insist on a police officer being present at their meetings with him.

Social workers knew that he had recently left mainstream education after taking a knife into school and, in a separate incident described by sources, threatened teachers and pupils with a hockey stick on which he had written their names.

He had briefly come to the attention of counter-terrorism officials but was assessed as not posing a risk of supporting terrorism or carrying out acts of violence in support of any cause.

The sentencing remarks today of Mr Justice Goose which, necessarily, include some references to, and descriptions of, the crimes for which Axel Muganwa Rudakubana was sentenced (which by their nature are distressing):

​

Patrick Hurley MP (Southport), has asked the Attorney General to review Axel Rudakubana’s sentence as “unduly lenient”, saying it is “not severe enough”:

Unduly Lenient Sentence scheme request received for Axel Rudakubana

 

[Spymaster]

He was a seventeen year old boy when when he killed, tortured and maimed.

I have scant conception of what combination of experience and disposition it takes to make such a child,.

But I do know they are literally made of the same stuff as me and you, and as such deserve the same care as me and you and of course absolutely and always their victims and their loved ones.

Louis MacNeice

Fuck off.

Spymaster.

 

[Aaronf]

He was a seventeen year old boy when when he killed, tortured and maimed.

I have scant conception of what combination of experience and disposition it takes to make such a child,.

But I do know they are literally made of the same stuff as me and you, and as such deserve the same care as me and you and of course absolutely and always their victims and their loved ones.

Louis MacNeice

He is made of the same stuff as me and you but then so are roughly 8 billion people altogether. I'd say 7.99 billion of those made out of said same stuff deserve care because they'd give care to all the others. Once you do to the level of what this person has done - you revoke any rights you had to anything.

Aaronf

 

[Ax^]

A society should be judged not by how it treats its outstanding citizens but by how it treats its criminals...

 

[xenon]

I suspect Axel Rudakubana is in the early stages of a psychotic illness. I would think within a couple of years he will be transferred to a secure psychiatric unit.

What do you base this on other than the erroneous idea that only the mentally ill can commit such heinous crimes?

Nothing I suspect.

 

[Spymaster]

Does anyone think that Axel Rudakubana should be given any hope whatsoever that he might one day be released from prison?

Or does the notion that he may one day, in many decades to come, walk the streets as a free man, utterly disgust you?

 

[Aaronf]

Does anyone think that Axel Rudakubana should be given any hope whatsoever that he might one day be released from prison?

Or does the notion that he may one day, in many decades to come, walk the streets as a free man, utterly disgust you?

No and yes.

 

[xenon]

Does anyone think that Axel Rudakubana should be given any hope whatsoever that he might one day be released from prison?

Or does the notion that he may one day, in many decades to come, walk the streets as a free man, utterly disgust you?

Most of us will be long gone when a parole board decides. But yeah I would hope he never see the light of day again.

 

[xenon]

The judge gave pretty much the maximum sentence he could as I understand it. If he’d made the sentences consecutive, it could’ve been grounds for appeal. On the technicalities. realistically he is never getting out of prison.

 

[Ax^]

Does anyone think that Axel Rudakubana should be given any hope whatsoever that he might one day be released from prison?

Or does the notion that he may one day, in many decades to come, walk the streets as a free man, utterly disgust you?

in jail or under mental assessment for the rest of his life.. he not going to be a celebrity in jail.. marked man for the rest of his life so be it

still get treated as any other prisoner by the system ..

 

[xenon]

anyway fuck him. He’s done. Forget his name. Remember the victims. an enquiry needs to address what can be done with people that present to authorities as he did prior to these horrific crimes.

 

[Epona]

Of course he should spend his life behind bars, but that doesn't remove the obligation from us all to examine what has gone so badly wrong in our world that it produces people capable of such horrific acts.

 

[Spymaster]

in jail or under mental assessment for the rest of his life.. he not going to be a celebrity in jail.. marked man for the rest of his life so be it

still get treated as any other prisoner by the system ..

There are people though, who would argue that he may not be beyond rehabilitation. Even that one day he may be able to reintegrate with normal society.

Obviously those people are fuckwits, who should be roundly ridiculed then ignored, but some preposterous justice systems (looking at you Norway) advocate it.

Absolutely perverse.

 

[Ax^]

the whole point of the legal system is to reform and rehabilitate the criminal but that does not always include release..

using it purely as punishment or retribution has worked so well for the society to this point

 

[Spymaster]

the whole point of the legal system is to reform and rehabilitate the criminal ...

No it's not. Reform and rehabilitation are the same things and both have been remarkably inefficient.

There are loads of other 'points' of the legal system.

 

[Ax^]

more people incarcerated that ever before I. human history and it because big business for countries around the world

and you idea is more.prison and longer sentences
tell me again what ineffective

 

[Humberto]

Primarily the legal system exists to protect property. I may be talking out of my hat but I think that's the foundation. I'll defer though rather than look a twat.

 

[Ax^]

in the USA it now exists to make money

 

[Serge Forward]

Primarily the legal system exists to protect property. I may be talking out of my hat but I think that's the foundation. I'll defer though rather than look a twat.

Correct.

 

[bluescreen]

Does anyone think that Axel Rudakubana should be given any hope whatsoever that he might one day be released from prison?

Or does the notion that he may one day, in many decades to come, walk the streets as a free man, utterly disgust you?

He's incredibly dangerous and needs to be kept as far away as possible from the opportunity to harm anyone else ever again.
I don't think I could trust anyone's expertise to certify that he'd ceased to be so dangerous.

Disgust? well, that's another matter. Disgust at the crimes: utterly. Disgust at his lack of remorse: utterly.
Disgust at the theoretical (and I think it's only theoretical here) possibility of rehabilitation? I'm a wet liberal, after all.

 

[Aaronf]

Was hust reading this; Express readers debate on whether the death penalty should be brought back

Not surprised it has appeared, even if the majority said no or even if more would now say yes - I think it's an interesting debate.

The last death penalty enforced was 1964 according to the article. I voted 'don't know' as people with brains that work far better than mine I'm sure would have a better opinion on it.

 

[Ax^]

sorry the express

oh do they have another story aside from why megan is responsible for killing Diana

 

[Jammy smears]

Is he actually going to prison or a psychiatric unit? I'm not sure prison is the right place for him but I haven't followed the court case too closely as I don't want to hear the details of what happened because I wouldn't be able to get it out of my mind. Has he been diagnosed with anything or been medicated? I'm thinking he must be a dangerous psychopath to stab small children.
Government need to be pumping more resources into mental health services. All the signs were there that he was dangerous, he should have at least been having intensive therapy sessions, medication or even sectioned.

 

[Jammy smears]

Was hust reading this; Express readers debate on whether the death penalty should be brought back

Not surprised it has appeared, even if the majority said no or even if more would now say yes - I think it's an interesting debate.

The last death penalty enforced was 1964 according to the article. I voted 'don't know' as people with brains that work far better than mine I'm sure would have a better opinion on it.

Bringing the death penalty back is a step backwards for society, we don't want to be going there. What kind of weirdo would want to end the life of a teenager, even a murdering one?

 

[Aaronf]

Was hust reading this; Express readers debate on whether the death penalty should be brought back

Not surprised it has appeared, even if the majority said no or even if more would now say yes - I think it's an interesting debate.

The last death penalty enforced was 1964 according to the article. I voted 'don't know' as people with brains that work far better than mine I'm sure would have a better opinion on it.

That was just the link I copied, I was surprised it came up in a few places! So it's obviously.out there on the Internet.

 

[Aaronf]

Bringing the death penalty back is a step backwards for society, we don't want to be going there. What kind of weirdo would want to end the life of a teenager, even a murdering one?

Not sure how long the poll has been up but it was 94% in favour, 5% against and 1% which was me as don't know.

 

[Jammy smears]

Not sure how long the poll has been up but it was 94% in favour, 5% against and 1% which was me as don't know.

You'd get similar figures from the Daily Mail too Aaron.

 

[elbows]

Those sort of polls tell me nothing.

I did notice that Reform UK MP's have been calling for a debate on the death penalty and this made the news, no surprise at their opportunism.