sure. I imagine most are. It's one of the things they're hoping to challenge by doing it isn't it?
male style icons
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Raheem
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Maybe hoping's not always enough, though.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Do you think it's right that men risk being ridiculed if they wear anything even slightly outside a very rigid range of clothes & colours? Do you think this is ever going to change if some men don't take that risk?
FWIW I don't think Cobain looks like a comedy drag queen in that pic, he looks pretty relaxed & normal. It's all in your head.
Reno
The In Kraut
Cobain wearing a dress was showing the finger to the macho bluster around in rock at the time. Him wearing a dress meant he felt secure enough in his masculinity that wearing a dress made him no less of a man. Men who think that a man embracing his feminine side is only fit to be laughed at, strike a little too much like they have something to prove.
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Raheem
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My take is it's not a subversive, challenging or even particularly worthwhile image, beyond being a reasonable photo. It's picture of a man looking slightly uncomfortable in a dress. There's nothing in it to tell you any other story.
Raheem
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At yet it's nothing Guns 'n' Roses wouldn't have done.
Except to you - and for many other people, because the rank culture we live in pushes us towards thinking like this - he looks not just like a man looking slightly uncomfortable in a dress, he looks like a comedy drag mother-in-law character. You think there's nothing subversive or challenging or worthwhile about going up against that?
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
There's a great bit in the Sasha Geffen book, Glitter Up the Dark, which does a close reading of the In Bloom video:
Where Cobain wears a suit as a deliberate uncomfortable awkward comedy performance thing, and then appears as "genuine Kurt", relaxed natural whatever, in the dress.
Where Cobain wears a suit as a deliberate uncomfortable awkward comedy performance thing, and then appears as "genuine Kurt", relaxed natural whatever, in the dress.
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
I don't want to be too argumentative, but:
This look would absolutely look edgy on a man. Not least cos I can't think of many men I've seen just wearing a suit jacket with a bare chest underneath?
Fwiw, I'm still trying to untangle what I feel about that Rowland Howard picture I posted above, gender-wise - to me, he kind of feels like a female style icon in that.
strung out
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not coincidentally, I had a tab open to look at some pics of him in dresses and spotted the suit with no shirt pic as I was scrolling...
hippogriff
Imposter
Indeliblelink
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Since we're remembering the Guv'nor - Weatherall.
Here's one for Ska
Here's one for Ska
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HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
I am still proud that my nickname in 6th year was Brian Molko(I'm female) when I had same hair etc
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Miles Davis had STYLE:
BigMoaner
We will all go together
That double denim risk, but yes he nails it
furluxor
snake with a claw
nothing wrong with a texas tuxedo, big fan here
danski
"vibey"
story
Changing the facts
Me too.
And I’ve pushed it to triple and even quadruple denim on occasion. Because why not.
Jeans, denim shirt, waistcoat, and jacket. With old stool studded belt, square toed cowboy boots and a leather military overcoat. With a chunky chain and loose silk scarf. Sometimes a burnt orange suede trench coat. I might go all out and wear a leather cowboy hat with it someday.
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furluxor
snake with a claw
That's power dressing! Bet no one wants to mess with you in that get up. Or at least they think twice. Consider a mustache to match.
I have been unable to find the right cowboy boots, so I try to take my denim in the direction of the redneck look (jeans + denim jacket with sleeves cut off, vest, ragged red knotted scarf, chunky chain bracelet, maybe baseball cap). Or just follow my dad...My sister complained about our father dressing like an "Eastern European dad visiting the West" in his double denim, and I see her point, but it's a good look. He likes jeans with denim jackets and I was recently gifted his old Wrangler jacket. It looks like new even after all the years (though it's very oversized and I have to fold back the sleeves).
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Changing the facts
The fold back sleeves plays to the working man/ redneck vibe so that’s okay, I reckon.
The right cowboy boots are a Goldilocks issue for sure. The only cowboy boots I’ll consider are square toed. I did have a pair of the winklepicker type but they annoyed me for a lot of reasons. I also have a pair of original Boy boots (bought at the original Boy shop back in ye olden days) but they’re flat. The heel on the cowboy boots provides the necessary element of dandy to the Tex-Tux to elevate it from
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The whole point of double denim is that it can look really bad (as your sister pointed out), but done well it subverts that so it’s double good. The distance between ew wtf and yes man! is further than between whatevs and yes man!. Part of that is the pure chutzpah it takes to even try, let alone pull it off.
I also have my dad’s old high school ring. Any old clobber looks pretty fly when I’m wearing that.
