Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 vanishes without trace
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2hats
Dust.
2 hours. Won't be surprised if it is quiet. Flight data recorder will likely be far more useful.
Objects spotted from several spotter flights today.
e2a: the crew from that spotter flight apparently described seeing a number of objects which gave the impression of a debris field.
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mack
Fact Me Till I Fart
Interesting piece about "black box" recorders..
http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/28/5556812/black-boxes-are-drowning-in-red-tape
http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/28/5556812/black-boxes-are-drowning-in-red-tape
2hats
Dust.
There's always an issue of inertia, particularly when trying to get agreement across so many bodies across so many jurisdictions and so many companies. One datapoint: something as seemingly straightforward as the directive to move from 30 to 90 day lifetimes for the CVR/FDR ultrasonic locator beacon battery I referred to several posts back has taken some 5 years to get out the door (still isn't due to be enacted for almost another year).
maomao
普費斯
17 years. Shit you just made me feel old.
2hats
Dust.
Could be anything until someone gets 'hands on'.
You can just about make out the relative locations in the image below:
e2a: that most recent narrowed down search box (yellow) is a larger area than the entire UK. It also straddles the Diamantina Trench, around 7-8km deep. Elements of AF447 were recovered from 4km deep and the deepest ever recovered has been from just under 5km.
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2hats
Dust.
This has now been tested in a commercial 777-200 simulator and at fuel exhaustion it drops into direct mode (no autopilot; all envelope protection lost), air speed reduces and the aircraft pitches down slightly and so it embarks on a series of unstable oscillatory motions (phugoid) - ie it is porpoising: repeatedly it tends to bank and dives sharply (several thousand feet per min), before recovering in a steep climb (the plunge at speed generates lift) then banking and diving (the climb reduces air speed and increases angle of attack bringing the aircraft towards a stall), followed by another climb, etc. Each dive altitude change being substantially more than the subsequent climb. Repeat till impact after a few minutes. The simulation also suggests the APU tries to kick in prior to the RAT but only gets as far as consuming the fuel in the feed line before it hits fumes. This is another contender for the source of the last, incomplete, handshake.
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
Looks like some the British Airways advertising people will be looking for work:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=b...j8&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=b...j8&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26806791
Is it true that Chinese people are seriously discriminated against in Malaysia? I have heard that before, that they introduced quotas and economic restrictions because they thought they were too powerful and controlling the country's money (
sound familiar). If that's true it might explain why they are so angry at the Malaysian government.
I also read a thing saying that the Chinese state is happy to try and take advantage of nationalist anger towards Malaysia the way it did against Japan a few years ago because it distracts attention from what the government is doing.
Is it true that Chinese people are seriously discriminated against in Malaysia? I have heard that before, that they introduced quotas and economic restrictions because they thought they were too powerful and controlling the country's money (
sound familiar). If that's true it might explain why they are so angry at the Malaysian government. I also read a thing saying that the Chinese state is happy to try and take advantage of nationalist anger towards Malaysia the way it did against Japan a few years ago because it distracts attention from what the government is doing.
not-bono-ever
meh
^^^ Yes.a Malay aquaitance ( tamil ) has likened them to the jews in that way. Nice.
http://www.economist.com/news/brief...-could-mark-turning-point-never-ending-policy
http://www.economist.com/news/brief...-could-mark-turning-point-never-ending-policy
maomao
普費斯
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26806791
Is it true that Chinese people are seriously discriminated against in Malaysia? I have heard that before, that they introduced quotas and economic restrictions because they thought they were too powerful and controlling the country's money (
It's more complicated than that. The Chinese population in Malaysia has been settled there for a very long time, mostly in the first half of the 20th century and they have done quite well for themselves as a community within Malaysia. The mainland Chinese consider them a bit weird and, well the best word I can think of is 'uppity'. There have been a lot of race riots, big ones in the 60s, and more recently in the 90s when a lot of Chinese businesses were burnt down. Most Malaysian Chinese I have known have expressed very very racist opinions about the native Malays. There's a lot of bad blood there anyway.
It's almost impossible to get a demo together in Beijing unless it's at a foreign embassy in which case you'll practically get a police escort (maybe an exaggeration but when the Chinese embassy in Belgrade was bombed students were given time off class to go and protest). There is literally no downside for the Chinese government to kicking up a fuss and letting conspiracy theories fester. Not only is public anger redirected but they also have one over on Malaysia who are now aware that the Chinese (who they are probably shit scared of) are not happy with them. Next time there's a dispute over some godforsaken part of the South China sea (Malysia has some sort of claim on the Spratly Islands which to be fair are a lot closer to Malaysia (and the Philippines) than they are to China, it will be brought up, at least in the Chinese media.
The Chinese really think that that whole part of the Pacific is theirs. They don't call it the South China Sea, they just call it the 'South Sea'. I was swimming in it (just off Hainan) late last year with my (Chinese) Father in law and told him that we call it the South China Sea. He was very impressed and thought that they should change it's name too as it is theirs after all.
maomao
普費斯
He looked South and had a conquering look on his face while he said it as well. He's a retired CP official so very hardline pro government.
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Definitely, I've heard many a Chinese taxi driver rant about the "f*****g Muslims" and how they get the better jobs etc.
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26806791
Is it true that Chinese people are seriously discriminated against in Malaysia? I have heard that before, that they introduced quotas and economic restrictions because they thought they were too powerful and controlling the country's money (
I also read a thing saying that the Chinese state is happy to try and take advantage of nationalist anger towards Malaysia the way it did against Japan a few years ago because it distracts attention from what the government is doing.
frogwoman - google Bumiputra to find out more
nuffsaid
But this goes up to 11
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
Nothing so far has shifted my theory of the plane drifting into a time-space-rift/back-hole/Bermuda-triangle/Dr. Who thought-lines.
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
meh - here we have a province trying to ban all visual signs of Muslims. I'm sure it will get passed into law. Quebec is scared of scarves
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
that's not so much a theory as a collection of ill-thought-out theories.
2hats
Dust.
IATA have announced that they plan to consult across the air industry and report on possible mechanisms for global aircraft tracking by the end of the year.
It has been reported that a Trafalgar class nuclear submarine (Tireless) has been tasked to take part in the search (has just arrived in the search zone).
It has been reported that a Trafalgar class nuclear submarine (Tireless) has been tasked to take part in the search (has just arrived in the search zone).
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
i was idly wondering about some kind of 'float free' device - i know some types of ships lifeboats aren't secured to the ship so that in the event of sinking they just float off... perhaps a lightly secured device on the fin that would break off in the stress of a ditching, floated and sent a distress signal and GPS position?
how fortuitous that there was an RN SSN in the southern Hemisphere, i can think of no one who would not be deeply gratified at that news.
2hats
Dust.
And not in danger of being sucked into the engine of a following aircraft during the taxi?
Actually, there is an ejectable crash position indicator that already exists. Some Canadian AF planes carry another version, I understand. Has never been fitted to commercial aircraft (costs, I suspect).
Mandating live streams of fight data including position,heading,speed,altitude every few minutes will be more likely to come to pass and probably more useful and timely in many respects (it would be fairly straightforward to profile flights with respect to expected flightplans and flag ones 'of concern' long before an emergency locator beacon could be triggered plus the final location could probably be better estimated/would have a better idea of location in marginal signal reception circumstances at the time of incident).
I'm not sure that there was. It was reported to have been retasked and taken several days to reposition. Hopefully the kit it has operates outside the range of frequencies than those for which it would normally be tasked to search.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
That's a very specific guess at the identity of two object which are basically only identifiable as a big blue rectangle and a little white circle
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Would it be possible for the plane to enter the water in one piece and sink without leaving a substantial debris field, either by a low angle of descent/low speed followed by sinking (unlikely with no fuel) or by entering at speed more or less vertically like a diver? It seems a bit odd that after days of searching we're not hearing of more things flagged up by satellites or of more debris sightings - there must be a lot of satellites, probably including ones with better resolution than previous focused on that area now. Or are these sightings happening but not being reported because of newsroom fatigue with this story?
The longer it takes the lower the chance of finding out what happened - whether passengers show signs of anoxia for example. If passengers survived and remained alive until impact, aware that something wasn't right, it's likely something would have been recorded on phones, and a possibility of recovering data from SD cards/phone memory, depending how that would be affected by seawater.
The longer it takes the lower the chance of finding out what happened - whether passengers show signs of anoxia for example. If passengers survived and remained alive until impact, aware that something wasn't right, it's likely something would have been recorded on phones, and a possibility of recovering data from SD cards/phone memory, depending how that would be affected by seawater.
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